Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

I have to laugh when I hear Yvette Cooper and Andy B say that people are joining the Labour Party to sabotage the vote

But it has been proven that there are cases of this though. With over 1,000 already discredited already.

rest of us will join JC The Messiah!

Oh seriously....

Kendall is bemused at idea of a split & so am I.
But Corbyn will have rampant rebellions to deal with. He often voted against the party line, so can't really complain if the MPs ignore what he tells the whips.

No one knows how much courage Corbyn really has and that is what frightens the metropolitan elite.

Corbyn could easily win the election, but whether he has the courage to do so, I am not yet sure.

If Corbyn decides to take Labour to vote for leaving the EU, then he will win the General Election. Cameron will then be exposed, left on his own, with the SNP, arguing to stay in. If the established Labour party votes 'No', then the UKIP voters will swing to Labour and millions of other voters who sit on the fence and usually do what the Oxbridge graduates advise will follow the advice of the established Labour party and Cameron will lose the Referendum as he will have to face splits within his own party.

After Cameron loses the Referendum, he will have to stand down and there will be a leadership election in the Tory Party. Corbyn will be triumphant and will sweep to an election victory.

Blair, Campbell, Jess Phillips and all the rest will no longer be invited to as many TV interviews. Publishing deals will dry up, book sales will drop, they will have to find work in a charidee.

Also, it's not as though Blair got rid of the left wing - he just convinced them to elect him so the Labour Party could get into power.

He is now making the same argument, but it's less easy to make having just lost a second general election with a seemingly people pleasing manifesto. (According to the polls anyway).

Blair came into power when the Tory party was tired, unpopular and out of date. The conditions aren't the same now.

Corbyn resistance group forming to undermine democracy.

www.sunnation.co.uk/senior-labour-figures-set-up-the-resistance-to-fight-corbyn-from-the-inside/

The Labour party will split. Great.

One party lead by Corbyn (the real Labour party)
And one party lead by the properly dodgy Chuka Umanna with his private £££drinks club paid for by the tax payer.
The Blairites can go join the son of a dodgy millionaire, and the rest of us will join JC The Messiah!

I think it's very difficult to choose a new leader just after losing a general election.

Corbyn is seen as an outsider, whereas the other candidates are the people the country didn't elect.

'We don't want the people deciding more things directly.'

Red, are you metropolitan elite? Where did yo get your PPE from?

'They are a load of morons at times.'

Red, are you related to Blairite John McTernan by any chance?

We don't want the people deciding more things directly. Their preferences are to kick out all foreigners and have vigilante groups stringing people up wthout trial. The people are the last people we want taking day to day decisions. They are a load of morons at times.

"Eamonn McCann: It’s Corbyn or catastrophe for British Labour party
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The British parties with most to lose if Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership are the Scottish Nationalists and the Greens. Labour voters deserted the party in droves on May 7th, out of disillusion with politics in general and their own party in particular.
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the prospect of a mass, insurgent Labour campaign sweeping the country in 2020 appears to the old sweats of Blair years as an appalling vista.

Blair himself laid it on the line in a speech to New Labour lobby group Progress on June 22nd: “I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.”
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Have they not grasped that the swell in support for the SNP and Greens has been generated, in part at least, by disgust at the lies which fell from the lips of New Labour as they strove to deliver Britain to Bush’s war. Corbyn’s consistent opposition to the war is one of the reasons hundreds of thousands, including a considerable number who had supported and even stood for other parties a few months ago, are cheering him to the echo at fervent rallies that spill onto the streets.

Sure, a Corbyn-led Labour Party might well split. But the splitters are at least as likely to find themselves in the political wilderness as those have held hard to decent Left ideas which, articulated by a decent man who betrays no sign of personal ambition, now resonate across Britain, including those swathes of Britain lost by Labour in May.

It’s Corbyn or catastrophe for Labour.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eamonn-mccann-it-s-corbyn-or-catastrophe-for-british-labour-party-1.2314993

There is panic in the air, the FT editorial is warning against Corbyn, every spinner from Oxbridge on a large salary has been prodded and prompted to get out onto TV and lecture the public about what is good for them.

Gordon Bennett will make a speech on Sunday, we are told. The nation holds its breath to hear what the great man has to say, to see him strut across the stage, fall to his knees with tears in his eyes when saying to the public, "remember Sure Start", but all the public will remember is the Iraq War and the faces of the liars.

The BBC will do its best o help the elite. Jess Phillips wll be interviewed again and again. "Jez Corbn?" she will ask. "None of the doorsteps I have knocked at have even mentioned him," she will chortle. "He's not what I think of as progressive". But that's exactly why the whole country likes him - he's not progressive like Blair and Brown, he didn't vote for the War.

While Jess's doorsteps don't speak of Corbyn, the metropolitan elite and Westminster bubble speak of nothing else - "Get Corbyn", "Stop Corbyn" is their desperate cry. Some of the sharpest, slimiest Oxbridge graduates, advisers and spinners around calm the fears of the metropolitan elite by saying "don't worry, the British public will never vote for Corbyn, they are like the people on Jess's doorsteps, the never menon Corbyn".

But then the metropolitan elite pick up the Evening Standard and read

"Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him [Corbyn] the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so."

and the wailing and howling begins once again, but more loudly than before.

And how the people laugh, how the people cheer

"hundreds of thousands, including a considerable number who had supported and even stood for other parties a few months ago, are cheering him to the echo at fervent rallies that spill onto the streets."

"It’s Corbyn or catastrophe for Labour."

It's catastrophe for the metropolitan elite.

Just some of Corbyns “Standing to Deliver” policies in the REAL world.

”Growth not austerity – with a national investment bank to help create tomorrow's jobs and reduce the deficit fairly. Fair taxes for all.”

We have had the strongest annual GDF growth of the G7 nations but we still have a £70 bil annual overspend and £1.6 tril of national debt, what is a national investment bank where does its capital come from and what businesses in the private sector would it not ‘crowd out’ – and historically Labour’s fair taxes for all is higher taxes for all, so whats fair or non austere about that?

”A lower welfare bill through investment and growth”

Why not have a Labour government encourage rather than threaten and penalise the private sector to take the risks and finance investment and growth through the capital markets as done for years, rather than an increasing debt over burdened State that can’t run bathwater efficiently?

”Public ownership of railways and in the energy sector”

Apart from frightening the bejezuz out of every business fearing South American style State asset grabs, how much will the railways cost, how will the public sector run/finance them better than the private sector – and as we need continued investment in new nuclear power stations (around ten) or whatever other arty farty source – one has to ask why Labour sold Westinghouse our only nuclear expertise and what the French government will say when we ‘grab’ EDF’s assets.

” Decent homes for all in public and private sectors by 2025 through a big house-building programme and controlling rents.”

Labour building enough homes, based on their last 13-years would indeed be unique, but again if State built who is going to fund it - and since (thanks to Labour) the private sector became for the first time in recent history the larger sector in the rental provision - how does the fat hand of the State ensure that private landlords who won’t care for rent controls (that may mean the income does not cover their funding costs), don’t sell up into the firm market over the next several years?

In other words, the State’s policies decreases the UK’s rental stock before they even put funded home building spades in the ground.

”Protection at work including an end to zero hours contracts”

In Europe employers hesitate to hire staff full time, especially in uncertain times, because due to legislation they cannot let them go if condition change, which is part of the reason the Eurozone has twice our unemployment rate and those IN work are more likely to be temps.

Zero hours suit many employees, and as even the fat hand of the State cannot FORCE employers to convert zero hour jobs to full time, how many jobs are expected to be lost as companies who may not be able to afford full time employees e.g. due to work flows, either goes without extra staff or get full time employees to work longer hours?

I can't be arsed to point out the obvious on many of the others.

claig
Pneumometer, the mistake you are making is that you seem to think that Tory and UKIP voters and non-voters will not change and vote for Corbyn.

As a Tory supporter I think that you are utterly deluded if you believe Tory voters will vote for Corbyn, other than for him to win this leadership contest which will make labour unelectable into the foreseeable future.

I think once 'the people' work out how the policies he's putting forward are going to be funded the landslide and stampede will be in the other direction.'

I depends what he does. If he taxes the squeezed middle, it will all be over, and he will lose, but if he taxes banks and businesss and claws back tax from charidees and corporations evading tax, then he will win the support of the middle class and he will be unstoppable. The Tories will have nothing to lay a finger on him with

'Interestingly you say he's straight talking yet a good few of the 'Stand and Deliver" policies sound like they've come straight out of the Soundbite/Mission Statement Handbook. Even "Stand and Deliver" has echoes of the 'Set in Stone" debacle.'

I agree with you on that. It sounds just like the hand gesture crew from Oxbridge. I don't say he is straight talking, it is his website and his team who call him that in an atrempt to get some of the Farage effect. I personally think he is a misguided left wing politially correct naive follower on many policies, but and this is the crucial thing, his good points outweigh all of that which is why UKIP and Tory voters will ignore all of the politically correct stuff and still vote for him.

Sorry claig but I think once 'the people' work out how the policies he's putting forward are going to be funded the landslide and stampede will be in the other direction.

Interestingly you say he's straight talking yet a good few of the 'Stand and Deliver" policies sound like they've come straight out of the Soundbite/Mission Statement Handbook. Even "Stand and Deliver" has echoes of the 'Set in Stone" debacle.

I don't know a lot about the ins and u of Labour, but the NEC should regain more power. Policies should be voted for by members and Establishment favourites should be held to account if they plot against Corbyn or deviate from agreed policy of the members and polcies should no longe be decided by the Oxbridge sofa set with their SPADs.

Sorry double post. Didn't post first time I blame the site gremlins

How would contacting every member on everything work in reality?

Maybe a good idea in theory, but I seriously doubt it would work as it would take forever to decide anything.

He should cut their power and let party members, the 600,000 good people, make policy decisions and decide the fate of the Establishmen

So every single policy or vote has to go to a members ballot

The Labour party are in opposition and do not set the agenda. The Tories can push through quick votes etc that just wouldn't have time to contact every single member for an opinion, for the party to discuss, then come to a decision. I just can't see it being viable.

I read in the Independent that the reason there are no heavy hitters in the Labour Party is that Brown and his acolytes deliberately destroyed anyone who might compete with him to succeed Blair.

Nice.

'Which is why he can'take complain if the PLP rebel against him which they will do'

He should cut their power and let party members, the 600,000 good people, make policy decisions and decide the fate of the Establishmen favourites in Labour who are plotting against him and the democratic will of the people.