Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

With JC at the helm and the proposed boundary/reduction of MPs Labour can look forward to '175' seats in the new 600 seat parliament circa 2020/25 !.

The proposed boundary and seat reductions do not 'favour' the Labour party in any way ! If the proposed changes go through the Labour party would lose as many as '30'seats whereas the Conservatives lose as little as '6'.

So lets imagine for some 'miracle' Corbyn loses no 'seats' Labour are therefore down to 200 seats the Conservatives even losing 17 seats to UKIP/LIB DEMS still have 300 seats and a majority. However, JC would lose the Labour party such seats as Chester , Wirral West and possibly Newcastle Under Lyme (Tristam's Hunts seat) to the Conservatives.

Stoke on Trent as well as other North Midland and North West traditional Labour seats under threat from UKIP , Requiring as little as a 5% further shift fro Labour to fall to UKIP.

The real state of affairs for Jeremy Corbyn led Labour party in to the 2020 General election will be at 'best ' Labour reduced to 200 seats at worst as little as 175 seats.

Lumpy, I should have ended it with the dramatic sound sample you once had, da, da, da!

straggle, did you read the article

"It’s Corbyn or catastrophe for Labour."

Don't you realise that nobody will vote for Blair, Burnham, Cooper and Kendall any more, not even Labour party members. The whole country has had enough and next they will have enough of the Tories.

Yes, along with growing concern voiced by Jewish Labour MPs, maybe we will go back to the 1930s rather than the 1980s or 1970s.

Or perhaps you will tire of Corbyn as quickly as you fell out with Farage, once you have wrecked our futures on the EU. He will not get elected and the Tories will be in place to rebuild all the bilateral trade agreements. Their version of the TTIF would of course go much further. They would of course repeal all the social legislation too.

claig psst you forgot the Mwa Ha Ha, the magic doesn't work without an evil cackle.

'You are the UKIP supporter who wants to take over the Labour Party.'

And after the Labour Party, the world.

The reason Greece under Socialist Syriza has accepted even worse bailot conditions than offered six months ago is because they unanimously do not want to leave the EU and by a majority want to keep the Euro. We are in the fortunate position of being out of both the Euro and Schengen and to leave the EU would mean having to accept the latter and losing jobs overnight. The Labour MEPs are currently in Socialists and Democrats grouping in the European Parliament.

But you have proved my point claig. You are the UKIP supporter who wants to take over the Labour Party.

The corporate media and establishment are trying to crush corbyn and any "leftist" anti-plutocratic thinking through fear mongering.

It is up to us as real people to overcome their power through means of word-of-mouth social media etc.

The Oxbridge establishment and their media bed buddies are conning us for their own advantage.

The People are Revolting ! Vote Corbyn 2020 !

High Five to Notechnologicalbreakdown
To what you said, and good link.

This is a good blogpost by a former ambassador on the myth of the unelectable left.

We might not want to go back to the 70s, but with an EU referendum coming up and only 3 non SNP MPs in Scotland, we can't go back to the nineties and 2000's either.

I think we will have to wait for the political landscape to shake out before a really viable Tory challenger can be identified.

There was a brilliant parody of the Labour leadership candidates on Dead Ringers last night. All very fast and clever but I can remember...

'Andy Burnham here. Eyelashes by Disney, hair by Lego'

And

'I'm Jeremy Corbyn, welcome to my campaign cassette tape. I liked things the way they were in the Eighties. Nowadays it's all instagram and croissants'

I was hooting away in the kitchen, DP thought I'd lost it :)

It is all about democracy at the end of the day. Do we want it, is it worth fighting for. Are ordinary people just all morons as Red says and apparently the likes of Liz Kendall, Blair and Yvette Cooper believe, incapable of deciding anything for themselves: are the political class the only people who by virtue of their birth are worthy of education and therefore of educating the rest of us. Are the millionaires and old boys of the public school networks the only people who can see what is good for us, because they have their eyes set on higher things than us ordinary folks can ever know.

I disagree and reject that view of society entirely. I do think the levels of education in this country are low, I do think the level of information most people have access to is appallingly bad quality. It is no accident that free education, media and libraries have all been attacked, co-opted and to greater or lesser degrees effectively privatised at this time. We need to address all of those things, but the solution is not going to be bringing them further under the control of an elitist patronising anti-democratic rich oligarchy who can never have any idea or care of how the ordinary people are forced to live.

This constant attempt to claim there is only one possible solution, one possible way of living is a lie and a lie born of and perpetuated by an increasingly narrow perspective. We need more solutions, not fewer; more perspectives, not less; more voices. Anything that proposes to widen the debate is not only welcome, but desperately needed.

We are not a poor country. We can afford to support our most vulnerable. We do have an ethical imperative to do so, or at least a pragmatic one - there but for the grace, and it may be our turn next - for those who won't accept ethics. We do not have to live with the greatest levels of inequality in western europe, we do not have to accept still higher and yet higher levels.

The more elite people who come out in support of the oligarchy and necessary inequality and tell us how only they have the only correct solutions, the more ordinary people are going to get annoyed. Works on me every time. There is a large current of dissatisfaction in the country, though it isn't always well-informed - but then neither are the elite who won't see the trees for the forest. And for those going on and on about how left-wing ideas were trounced in the general election, two points: one, what left wing ideas were really available; and two for goodness sake please go look at the vote percentage figures, not the seat allocation rubbish. Labour did not lose by much - just 6%. I personally despise Farage's way of pandering to hatred and scapegoating, but ukip's vote share really ought to have earned more representation than it did.

He is starting a whole new career as a gangsta rapper.

Where is Ed M these days?

AB and YC forgets that they were the faces in Brown government thrown out by people. They are unelectable. JC is fresh face with ideas that most people like. Labour has better chance with him than the other lot.

straggle, the question is, is Corbyn a real socialist? I think he is.

Scargill, Benn and Crow were all against the EU as it prevents real socialism and real democracy.

Having seen what was done to Greece, Corbyn and all of Europe is under no illusion about who runs the EU and the bankers behind it. The people who run the EU wll never allow real socialism to spread - Blairism, Progress think tank, progressive stuff, yes, but never Clause 4.

What frightens the metropolitan elite is that Corbyn might be a real socialist and would reinstate socialism, nationalisation and Clause 4 and would leave the EU and remove the country from the laws, regulations and stipulatons of the bankers.

The Labour Party split after 1983 because of its anti-EU stance - pro-Europeans formed the SDP

The Limehouse Declaration was issued in January 1981, and the SDP got 25.4% of the vote in the 1983 generational election. The Labour Party had split well before 1983!

Should have read Making his 5 years in government futile

The Labour Party split after 1983 because of its anti-EU stance - pro-Europeans formed the SDP and they shared those values with the Liberals so merged with them. If Corbyn is more popular among UKIP supporters than Labour supporters, according to the latest poll, his prevarication over the EU could be twisted, and a strong anti-EU populism could take over the party. That's my biggest immediate fear about a Corbyn win: infighting over such an important issue would put me off even voting Labour again. Others may be put off on other issues, like those who strongly believe in NATO and standing up to Putin. But the EU issue is immediate, and will come to a decisive end in the next 18 months. This time an anti-EU vote would split not just the party but the country, because the SNP would justifiably demand another referendum.

I just hope his politics on the EU are very different from 1983. That would be his first test - holding the party together while supporting Alan Johnson in a strong pro-EU campaign. For which he will also have to work with Cameron. Is he capable of doing that? Are his supporters prepared to accept that?

NRTHT but 2 thing strike me as reasons why labour shouldn't elect Corbyn as leader. The first being if he is 71 in 2020 and was elected, then by the end of his first term in office he would be 76. If he went for a 2nd term then he would be 81. He probably wouldn't go for a second term so what ever policies he put in place his successor would, in order to establish his own leadership, would take the country in a different direction. Making his 5 years in government.
The second is that on the face of it JC appears to wants to take us back to the 70s. Maybe the younger electorate cannot appreciate what the Labour government did to this country in the 70s. The tax the rich policies backfired because the "rich" were able to buy a plane ticket out of here and went to live elsewhere on the planet. Having spent the money and not having the section of society available to pay for it the tax burden fell on the poor and middle class. Basic rate of tax, that is the rate everyone paid was 33%.

As someone from that era I can remember picking up a loaf of bread at a supermarket and by the time I got to the till I didn't have enough money for it as the price had gone up between me picking it up and walking to the till. Does anyone want to go back to the 70s

"JC The Messiah"

I went to see Corbyn speak a couple of weeks ago and found him an inspiration. I've never voted Labour because since I've been eligible to vote, the party has been run by Blair / Blairites and I've always found their policies sit too far to the right for me. However, if Cobyn wins, I will join the party (already joined as an affiliate so I can vote in the election). One thing that struck me at the rally was that Corbyn said he would never make this election about personalities and we would never hear him be drawn into making negative comments about the other candidates. He has upheld this, despite the others doing everything they can to undermine him. I actually feel so wound up by the desperation of Cooper/Burnham/Kendall that I'm finding it hard to watch the news.

'With over 1,000 already discredited already.'

Yes, they 'discredited' the great comedian, Mark Steel, who has more Labour values in his little finger than all the Oxford PPEs and war mongers combined.