Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

JC has the same initials as Jesus Christ. Nuff Said. He's Awesome.

"leaving the grey Tory vote to win out."

And why not, WE see through the 'new politics' bull squirt, WE remember the UK 'sick man of Europe' despair under a 1970's Labour Party/Trade Union bosses movement - and Corbyn and backers anti business etc ideology/policies are NO DIFFERENT.

He refused to rule out campaigning for Britain to quit the EU.

This echoes the stance by Len McCluskey of Unite to Cameron that the union might switch sides and campaign for Brexit if he achieved the benefit changes he intended and watered down any worker rights.

That would be a delight for the Tory Eurosceptics who, if Cameron didn't make those changes, would campaign for withdrawal anyway and mobilise popular support on the anti-immigrant vote. If they got their way they would tear up all the rest of the employment legislation such as holidays and maternity pay. And of course sign trade agreements with the U.S. inviting companies to buy up every hospital and school in the land going far beyond any EU treaty.

'The only thing he is interested in is the spotlight.'

I agree. I think he is a phoney.

I wouldn't trust Galloway as far as I could through him which would be mm

The only thing he is interested in is the spotlight.

His is curently trying to become London mayor and one of his major speakers at his next 'rally' is Basghari (sp) of #mossadstolemyshoe thenputitback fame.

'A victory for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership race will reduce the party's chances of winning the next election, a poll for The Independent on Sunday reveals.

As ballot papers arrive for more than 600,000 members and supporters, the wider electorate thinks Mr Corbyn stands the least chance of returning Labour to power in 2020, the ComRes poll shows. In a dramatic twist, David Miliband, defeated by his brother in 2010, would stand the most chance of winning for Labour.'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-would-reduce-labours-chances-of-winning-the-next-election-poll-reveals-10457458.html

David Miliband? Are they serious? Who was polled, the attendees at the Progress think tank?

'It seems they questioned his ability to respect party discipline. I guess they'll never be popular with that sort of attitude.'

They would never have as popular a leader as Corbyn because discipline is not in his vocabulary, but principle is. Any party that requires the level of discipline the SNP demand is built on unstable foundations.

lostinikea, I thought Corbyn had said he has not made up his mind and is open to all possibilities. Have you got a link where he says he will campaign to stay in?

UKIP don't want and don't need MPs. They want votes to exit the EU. Carswell was probably still in touch with his Conservative instinct to see Labour unelectable. Just a twitchy habit, really. Farage is pleased, though.

Looks like George Galloway does divide opinion on the hard left.

Meanwhile that Corbyn supporter whose blog was quoted below on this thread, ex-diplomat Craig Murray, was quite upset to have been rejected by the SNP. It seems they questioned his ability to respect party discipline. I guess they'll never be popular with that sort of attitude.

Thanks, I saw that Douglas Carswell article before, which just shows how out of touch he is and that he doesn't get it. He thinks Corbyn's rise is good for UKIP, but it isn't, it will make UKIP irrelevant and if he goes as far as saying 'No' to the EU, then UKIP will be all over and labour will take most of their 4 million votes and Labour will take over the mantle of the anti-establishment, anti metropolitan elite party.

It will be Blair, the Guardian, the BBC and the Tories versus Labour and the people.

The Mirror has backed Andy Burnham first with Yvette Cooper second

Douglas Carswell just said 'yay!' at the news Corbyn was in the lead.

"Can you ever remember a political party leadership contest being so talked about, getting so much coverage or being so much fun? I can’t.
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And it’s all because of one man, Jeremy Corbyn , he who dares to stand for what Labour used to – socialism.
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exposed a ­horrible dishonesty where the power-mad Blairites to the right are seeing their careers and their money-making ­opportunities go right up the Swannee. Because if Jezza nails it, they won’t get anywhere near the shadow Cabinet, let alone the Government front benches.
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But since he and his partner in crime Alastair Campbell have both come out declaring doomsday if Corbyn wins, membership has soared in order to ­ensure he DOES.

When will they get it? Real Labour ­voters loathe New Labour because Tony Blair’s reign had absolutely nothing to do with ­socialism – except of the ­champagne sort – and ­everything to do with power, money (for them) and the creation of a large number of welfare-dependent voters who, they thought, would keep them in power in perpetuity.

They want Jeremy because he believes in what he says and he’d be a leader the Labour party hasn’t seen for decades – a true and honest socialist, exactly what they should be all about."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-brings-much-needed-6258352

This ain't how it was meant to be. It was meant to be about Oxbridge. The metroplitan elite had it all planned, all stitched up, their favourites in charge of all the levers, business as usual. But no one likes their favourites, they like the 66 year old grey-haired left wing rebel who never changed and never sold his soul to the metropolitan elite.

I think endorsement by Douglas Carswell would harm anyone's credibility. Has he endorsed Corbyn? Have you got a link?

Galloway is probably still popular among the hard left, I don't know. I think Galloway is a phoney and I don't like him, but I'm not hard left.

You think endorsement by George Galloway and Douglas Carswell enhances his credibility, do you?

'even Alastair Campbell called him [Corbyn] a good local MP'

Are you trying to ruin Corbyn's chances of winning? Talk about the kiss of death.

Corbyn is one of the few Labour MPs to increase his majority

Means nothing in terms of wider electoral support. He's been the MP for 32 years and turns up for school fetes - even Alastair Campbell called him a good local MP. It's not because of his particular views as opposed to general Labour representation, either.

Steve Reed in Croydon also increased his majority, despite having a TUSC candidate stand against him (who subsequently tried to sign up as a Labour supporter), UKIP, Green and Communist. He polled 33,500 votes (more than JC, similar majority). The TUSC candidate got 261 votes. Pretty popular, huh?

The Guardian is not backing Corbyn now. What on earth will they do when Corbyn wins and wins an electoral landslide too? Will they come out and back Cameron and the Tories and the metropolitan elite against a real socialist Labour party?

Will it be the entire "left" and right wing media, the entire metropolitan elite, and every servant with delusions of grnadeur versus Corbyn and the people?

Lots of the Establishment's favourites in Labour have said that they will not serve in a Cabinet under Corbyn, so unless they are successful in doing a coup against him, they will be out of power and off our TV screens (which would be a blessing for the people) for a very long time indeed. Some of them will probably be miffed at that because they expected their Oxbridge background to open all the doors to them, but the Establishment won't be able to deliver with Corbyn in charge.

Galloway on his Russia Today programme just now. He says he thinks Corbyn will win such a big victory that it will be unchallengeable as being due to Trotskyist or Daily Telegraph Tory entrism. He says a Corbyn Labour party would make the SNP be the Yellow Tories instead of Labour in Scotland being the Red Tories and that COrbyn would save the Union.

His theory about Blair et al is that the fact that Blair, Campbell and all the rest have spoken in such apolcalyptic terms about Corbyn is that Blair is possibly planning a Limehouse Declaration type moment where the Blairites will form their own centrist party and split from Labour. I can't see that myself, but Galloway does know a thing or two about Labour politics.

What worries me is that the young and ordinary just don't vote at all. The group with whom Corbyn is winning favour will disappear come polling day, leaving the grey Tory vote to win out.

"The young and the ordinary will vote for his policies as they" - don't know any better.

As I challenge some of his policies on the previous page, they mainly assume that the private sector will both accept what he throws at them and will create more employment, but the opposite is true.

Moreover a Corbynasuarus with the constant threat 1970's policies will immediately cause the private sector to contract, creating less growth he goes on about, and the government/public sector far from being able to take up the the financial and employment slack - will have to face trying to pay up for current services, and pay down deficits/national debt - with LESS tax receipts.

A Greek economic salad in the making.

“I’ve lived under Jeremy Corbyn’s rule – it turned me into a Tory” *

I'm sure you were a neotard before it was even invented, but Corbyn is one of the few Labour MPs to increase his majority, thus baring the lie that he is unelectable. The young and the ordinary will vote for his policies as they (his policies) represent them.

*I know that article is only a representation and not about you, my favourite neotard financial illiterate Ponzi advocate.

"People's Champion."

Whose, Putin's people?

Farage as an ex City Broker trading/speculating in commodity prices like oil and no doubt was on an annual six figure remuneration package, so hardly qualifies as a real job and 'a man of the people'.

As for Corbyn's 'service of the the people' here is a first hand account;

“I’ve lived under Jeremy Corbyn’s rule – it turned me into a Tory”

”When put into practice in the Seventies, the views of this loony Left-winger resulted in class hatred and Soviet-style stagnation”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11762773/Ive-lived-under-Jeremy-Corbyns-rule-it-turned-me-into-a-Tory.html

”Reader, I have lived in Corbyn World and I am here to tell you what it was like. It was in the London borough of Haringey, where my husband and I lived in the Seventies, in which Mr Corbyn made his first notable appearance on the public stage. As well as being a major force on Haringey council and in the Hornsey Labour Party, he had a day job as a full-time official of the National Union of Public Employees (now part of Unison) which involved him in employment negotiations with local councils. This dual role was not seen, oddly enough, as a conflict of interest.”

Concluding;

”This story has everything you need to know about life as it was under Corbyn Labour – class hatred, the indulgence of unionised labour, and the Soviet-style handing out of favours to party loyalists on the council payrolls. Mr Corbyn often says that his political principles have not changed. Take that as a threat.”