Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

straggle, politics has changed completely. It started with Farage - people want politicians who have principles and believe what they say, not robotic party automatons who do what the out of touch hierachy have decided without consultation of the people.

That is why Diane Abbott is ideal as a candidate - she is different to the rest.

Perhaps in your cynical UKIP entryism fresh newfound enthusiasm for all things left-wing, you may have overlooked that she is disliked by a broad range of voters, from Daily Mail readers to leftists who will never get over her sending her son to a private school. Even Unite backed Sadiq Khan. Who I actually like, son of a taxi driver and all, but from the poll wouldn't appeal beyond Labour voters.

One thing in Diane Abbott's favour is that she is against Heathrow expansion. Yet so is Sadiq Khan. And so is Zac Goldsmith, for those who also like voting Tory.

'The polls are saying Tessa Jowell has the best chance'

Why not Diane Abbott? She is with Corbyn, and if I remember rightly, Tessa Jowell has not said flattering things about him.

He doesn't need to be able to win a general election. The next general election is not for another five years yet.

There are many elections and milestones much sooner than that, and if he does not perform he will have to resign or there will be a coup. Which means another six months of uncertainty, another ballot, another period of chaotic and ineffective opposition, yet the hard left will not accept defeat.

The first tests come within 9 months: May 2016 for London mayor, Scottish Parliament, local councils. Will the mayoral choice work with Corbyn? And will he/she then get elected? The polls are saying Tessa Jowell has the best chance of winning votes from the despicable metropolitan elite. After all the online bile directed at the 'Tory' wing of the Labour Party, is she going to get the nomination? Will Scottish Labour win all the seats in the Scottish Parliament? If not, serious questions would be raised. Yet if they did, you bet the SNP will fight back.

The EU referendum may follow as early as June 2016. It's essential to see his support for the EU is rock solid. Both Unite and the SNP could play with a dangerous game if he shows any prevarication on this which would crowbar open the splits in the party.

"JEREMY Corbyn has barely stepped out his taxi at the Old Fruitmarket on Friday before a man strides across the street to clasp his hand and have his photograph taken with him.

After his cheerfully disorganised minders steer him through the wrong door into a gallery of bars and restaurants, there are more snaps amid beery shouts of “Good luck, Jeremy!”

A woman in a red dress jumps up from her table and bearhugs him.

“Oh, this has made my night,” she says. “Welcome to Glasgow!”

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendumnews/13599925.Labour_leadership_interview__Jeremy_Corbyn/

This is reminiscent of the reception Farage himself receives around the country and in Scotland.

Corbyn is right that he is offering the politics of hope and optimism and that is what people are responding to. No one in the country (apart from the metropolitan elite) believes that there is no alternative to austerity. But no one in the country believes that anyone apart from Corbyn will do anything about it.

Gordon Brown and his best teams of Oxbridge spin doctors, SPADs and cads can all mouth platitudes like "we must help the poor and needy in a better Britain for all" but no one believes them (not even the metropolitan elite) because everybody knows they are all Establishment, all just servants

"I have the honour, Sir, to remain Your Royal Highness' most humble and obedient servant"

from Oxbridge and wouldn't be where they are if they weren't.

The difference with Corbyn is that everybody believes him because we all know he was a rebel who was never a servant throughot his entire parliamentary career. He opposed them all the way and never sold his soul. That is why people really have hope, really have belief that someone like him will expose the lies and end the shamand that is why the metropolitan elite fear him like no other. He can't be bought, he can't be offered a high-paying role in one of their charidees, he is with the people until the end.

But the hope may not last, the hope may one day fade, that we will have to wait and see. But before it does, he will have transformed the country and what better alternative is there?

"For Labour, it's Corbyn or catastrophe"
For the metropolitan elite, it is catastrophe.
For the people, it's win-win all the way each and every day.

He also issued a warning to the rich and powerful guarding their tax breaks

As I said upthread, back to the 1970s.

There will be employment, lifelong free learning, free childcare, more money for ordinary people and stinging taxes for the metropolitan elite

That is if the ME stay in this country. If they don't then the "stinging taxes" have to be paid by those that couldn't afford the plane ticket out of here.

cruikshank ... re "I don't think Corbyn could do as well as Cameron has done in that regard - welfare spending alone has increased by £28 billion since he got in."

So more hypocrisy or ignorance, as all I've heard for years from every socialist party for over 5-years was that the Conservatives were savagely CUTTING welfare - can 'the people' believe a word socialist parties say?

The fact was, the initial plan was to try and slow the Labour 10-year growth rate down with reforms and checks, and then once the economy was sustainably growing and the private sector was hiring again, try and cut the bill further.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10574376/Graphic-Britain-outstrips-Europe-on-welfare-spending.html

"Despite Mr Osborne’s promise to get welfare under control, the benefits bill is due to increase rapidly in cash terms, from £180bn this year to £203bn in 2018-19."

"Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, last year admitted he had given up trying to cut the welfare bill and was instead “managing growth at a lower level”.

Eveyone believes him

I don't think they do

Corbyn will scrap fracking, ban GM and scrap TTIP. There will be employment, lifelong free learning, free childcare, more money for ordinary people and stinging taxes for the metropolitan elite and hopefully for some charidees too (but I know that won't happen because he is politically correct).

That is good enough for me, even if he is politically correct and against lots of the common sense Farage policies I believe in.

cruikshank ... it wasn't the "chinless posh braying twats" from Eaton that got us into this mess, but when those who did had no idea how to get us out, that lot did and its working.

As for mentioning "austerity" AND "who in five years in power have spent more than Labour did in 13 years - do you not see the base ignorance of not wanting the Conservatives to CUT the £153 bil a year budget deficit/overspend Labour left (which you call austerity), while bitching they are still spending more than Labour BEFORE Labour left that overspend? Duh.

The UK is the fifth biggest economy, that had grown government spending, benefits/welfare/tax credits MORE than any other European country, and then LEFT the largest annual budget deficit/overspend than any other country in Europe e.g. France the muvver of fat States had a deficit about one third of ours - so we were not rich, we were getting a lot poorer, especially if nothing was done about it.

'What are your Political beliefs'

I am for the people against the elites. I prefer and agree with Farage to Corbyn on most things, but there is a huge difference between Farage and Corbyn- Corbyn will be better for the country because he has more courage and vision than Farage in that he will solve bigger more important problems. He will solve housing, employment, investment, manufacturing and rein in the bankers. It will be a better country for everyone apart form the metropolitan elite under Corbyn.

I will have to put up with Corbyn's political correctness, with his climate change nonsense etc in order to have the bigger issues facing the country solved.

'but if no business believed Miliband or Sturgeon in 2015, they ain’t gonna believe Corbyn in 2020. Guffaw.'

The difference is that Corbyn is not a moderniser, he ia man of princple. Eveyone believes him, including the bankers which is why they are applying for jobs in taxpayer funded charidees as we speak, because no one else will employ them.

first stop £3 trillion of UK National Debt

I don't think Corbyn could do as well as Cameron has done in that regard - welfare spending alone has increased by £28 billion since he got in.

Claig. What are your Political beliefs , other than what is 'fashionable' and anti establishment !.

I find it quite remarkable that you were so pro UKIP Farage policies , limited immigration, low tax (Flat rate proposed) Selective education keep spending on armed forces at 2% of GDP.

You now side with Some-one who looks like a 'bitter bastard' proposing High tax on wealthy people (What that means and who ?) who states he wants to come out of NATO Nuclear disarmament , links to Hamas SINN FEIN.

What do you believe in, apart from anyone perceived to be 'Anti Establishment .

Here goes Corbyn, 100% behind the people and the middle class. The metropolta elite can't believe what they are reading, Tories are having a tantrum. What on earth can they all do against Corbyn? Where will they get their arguments from? The Tory lites had "Sure Start" as their big idea and the Tory heavies have nothing at all except for the mantra of more modernisation.

"Jeremy Corbyn has launched an audacious bid to defeat his rivals by pledging pro-business reforms to back entrepreneurs as voting begins in the Labour leadership race.

In a move to broaden his appeal to all parts of the party as ballot papers are distributed, Corbyn will announce a series of measures including tax cuts for small businesses and increased spending on training."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/15/jeremy-corbyn-pledge-pro-business-back-entrepreneurs

Bankers in a cold sweat. Corbyn has nothing for them.

I’ve just seen in the papers review “Corbyn to offer help to entrepreneurs”

He just blurts what people want to hear/believe, but if no business believed Miliband or Sturgeon in 2015, they ain’t gonna believe Corbyn in 2020. Guffaw.

Money to nationalise, money to increase the size of the state, money to increase the size of the States ‘investments’ and money to help businesses with fair taxes for all – first stop £3 trillion of UK National Debt, on the way to £5 billion after 5-years of that joker.

I think a lot of people are missing the point about a leader election at this stage. He doesn't need to be able to win a general election. The next general election is not for another five years yet. What he needs to do is to be an effective opposition leader, to counter the lies about austerity told by posh braying twats who in five years in power have spent more than Labour did in 13 years, to counter the notion that the real threat to the UK is coming from desperate people escaping countries that we have helped to fuck up rather than looking at the chinless wankers who are directly responsible for children in one of the richest countries in the world being fed by food banks, to provide an alternative narrative that addresses the glaring inequalities that are damaging people's lives now, not in five years time. And for that, I think he is eminently qualified and suitable. I think he will make a good job of it.

Cameron doesn't have to be Thatcher, the State as large as it NEEDS to be, so citizens keep as much of their own salaries as possible, and help businesses to invest/hire is CORE Conservatism - totally opposite to the Blair/Brown administration and the CORE Labour ideology/record.

The 'people' if any doubt in 2010, can now see which country model/ideology, is both better for them and SUSTAINABLE.

WE tried Corbynism in the 1970's, it FAILED.

'The [union] Barons called it correctly. And we, the self-satisfied modernisers and pragmatists, did not.'

The self-satisfied modernsers were promoted by the metrpolitan elite, but they had no base with the people, as Corbyn and the unon barons have shown. The modernisers probably mainly came from Oxbridge and now they will have to go back there or onto a charidee - no one else will employ them.

"The problem was us so-called progressive modernisers. We thought having to convince enough MPs and enough long-standing Labour Party members and enough sensible trade unionists of our case was just too much hard work. So we said “ah, screw that, let’s just get ourselves another way of electing a leader. One that doesn’t really involve us having to convince anyone at all. We’ll just push out the union hotheads and bus a new bunch of members in”. Like the political equivalent of so many TV dinners. The TV Progmods.

And here is the result."

The Left’s progressive modernisers have to look at the self-satisfied reflections in the mirror. And the finger pointing directly at ourselves."

What the metropolitan elte and their progressive moderniser servants have learned is that stitch-ups don't work forever media mates can't help them forever. Democracy is back, the people are back

Claig.., what a complete lot of mis-informative rollocks.

Cameron was no heir to Blair in policies, as he was just the front man, the policies of fat State, tax high/give some back, welfare state - were mainly Browns.

Corbyn ressurects the failures of the 1970's Labour movement that kept them out of power for 18-years - how many times do people have to mention that - and where do you see the 1970's successes that Corbynism, who's policies closely resemble the anti business, state controls etc 2015 Miliband manifesto?

straggle, it is a totally different time now and Corbyn is up against Cameron.

Cameron is no Thatcher. Cameron is the heir to Blair, a progressive moderniser, and when Corbyn buries Blairism, he will also trounce Cameroonianism, because it is practically the same thing.

Dinosaurian Corby owes his success to ”modernisers” - no wonder claig likes him lol

”Labour modernisers like me wanted a new way to elect leaders. Good grief”

”We've made a huge mistake”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11803400/Labour-modernisers-like-me-wanted-a-new-way-to-elect-leaders.-Good-grief.html

By Dan Hodges

A landslide. Like it came back from the 1983 nadir. It only took 14 years. Corbyn will be 80.

www.ukpolitical.info/ConvLab.htm

Now the attendees at the Progress think tank, known as "the progressives", have all applied to work in charidees, faith foundations and philanthropic positions because no one else would employ them.

staggle, but then Corbyn would win a landslide. Corbyn has changed our entire political future. The Establishment thought that their favourites would out-argue Corbyn and thereby show the public their right wing aspirational business, immigration credentials. They and their favourites thought it was going to be a piece of cake. But none of them realised that they had no arguments to offerl.

When it became obvious that the Oxbridge trio didn't have a single idea between the three of them, they probably phoned up their PPE mates in the Tory party and asked them to supply some arguments as they were Tory lite and were light on ideas an maybe the Tory heavies had some good arguments. But it was soon discoveed that the Tory heavies had no argments against Corbyn either.

When the metropolitan elite inquired how the case against Corbyn was progressing, they were staggered to find that their favourites had a blank sheet apart from the word ANNIHILATION of or future career prospects written on it.

That is when the metropolitan elite gathered around a cauldron incanting "hubble, bubble, toil and trouble", when lo and behold Mephistopheles Blair appeared in a black cloak with an eery toothy smile. The faithful at the Progress think tank immediately communed to hear the master speak and warn of ANNIHILATION of their future career prospects if Corbyn was to win.