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Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

710 replies

Myturnnow4 · 12/08/2015 15:53

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

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straggle · 16/08/2015 20:37

Actually, Thatcher was elected party leader in 1975, so that was 40 years. Jesus, that's shameful.

straggle · 16/08/2015 20:34

I like Yvette Cooper. She could have been the first woman leader of the Labour Party 36 years after the Conservatives achieved that milestone (and could do again if Theresa May steps up - shame on the Labour Party if that happens). She got into to Oxford from a comprehensive school, had to overcome long-term illness in her twenties (ME), and has been a working mother in a particularly high stress position, at the height of the banking crisis when she was probably working through the night, so she understands my sort of life as a working mother (in a much less stressful job) a lot more than Jez would. She's spoken out against harassment of women on Twitter and is now the subject on similarly Neanderthal comments on CIF, Twitter, etc. attacking her as if she was an extension of Ed Balls which is disgusting Daily Mail territory for so-called enlightened lefties (though they may have been trolls). She comes across as tight-lipped but it's understandable that she's been guarded about her privacy while married to another high profile politician. I wanted to see her elected prime minister while Ed Balls could have worn colourful suits as stay-at-home First Man.

didyouwritethe · 16/08/2015 20:21

Yvette was weird on Newsnight, saying that economics didn't have to be about "boy's toys" - cars and trains Hmm - but could be about childcare. She had tears in her eyes as she said it. Bizarro.

Viviennemary · 16/08/2015 20:03

Andy Burnham is meant to be giving a speech tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what he has to say. He seems to be one of the better candidates. Anyone but that awful Yvette Cooper.

claig · 16/08/2015 18:17

It is sad that a fair contest has to descend to the level where contestants are insulted like that.

Bubblesinthesummer · 16/08/2015 18:15

They are being called "metropolitan elite".

Grin Nope.

In all seriousness it is all over twitter and a bit on facebook but mostly twitter. Some of it is even police worthy IMO.

claig · 16/08/2015 18:06

Where is this stuff being said? On the Guardian comments page?

claig · 16/08/2015 18:04

'If 'tory lite' was 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 then some of the stuff that is being spouted is 10+.'

Got ya. They are being called "metropolitan elite".

claig · 16/08/2015 18:03

Although calling people Tory lite is pretty bad. There is only one thing worse anyone can be called - a Blairite.

Bubblesinthesummer · 16/08/2015 18:02

I haven't seen any of it because I am not on twitter. Is it just calling people Tory lite or worse than that?

No where near that I'm afraid.

If 'tory lite' was 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 then some of the stuff that is being spouted is 10+.

claig · 16/08/2015 17:58

'It is some of the worst that I have seen and I am very thick skinned.'

I haven't seen any of it because I am not on twitter. Is it just calling people Tory lite or worse than that?

I must admit, I have grown to like Liz Kendall. She is always positive, always optimistic, always smiling and very tough even though she doesn't stand a chance. She has done really well throughout.

Bubblesinthesummer · 16/08/2015 17:54

Some of them were seen phoning the bookies trying to place a last minute desperate bet and shouting into the receiver "put it all on Corbyn, this is going to be a landslide

Overly dramatic much.....

I also hope that as a man who 'doesn't do personal attacks', comes out and says something about the vile trolling that is going on by a number of his supporters.

It is some of the worst that I have seen and I am very thick skinned.

Funinthesun15 · 16/08/2015 17:51

The people have won.

Only the 'people' that would vote for him.

Viviennemary · 16/08/2015 17:24

Diane Abbott is entertaining on that late night show. But as a politician she is a hypocrite of the worst order. If she cannot remain true to her principles in private life what is the point. And she made a racist remark. And it was just brushed aside.

claig · 16/08/2015 14:37

Gordon Bennett speech in full swing underway right now.

Non-stop strutting across the stage, to and fro, hither and thither. More name-dropping than a retired luvvie reminiscing about old times - Nelson Mandela, Elton John, Amy Winehouse and then crashing back down to Neil Kinnock.

This is the best they have got. This is Custer's Last Stand. This is Stop Corbyn and stop the people at its finest.

But it's dragging on, the gags are going nowhere, the name-dropping is getting confusing, it's hard to keep track of all of them.

He mentioned someone called "Jenny Lee" that none of us have heard of apart from in that old country and western swing standard "Oh Jenny Lee from sunny Tennessee".

It's not looking good. Put your money on Corbyn while the bookies are still taking bets. Even the metropolitan elite have walked out of the room where the strutting is underway. They have had enough. Some of them were seen phoning the bookies trying to place a last minute desperate bet and shouting into the receiver "put it all on Corbyn, this is going to be a landslide, Brown has put the final nail in the coffin of our chances"

He mentioned "Sure Start". That's it, put your remaining coppers on Corbyn. It's all over. The people have won.

claig · 16/08/2015 12:24

Diane has the highest net approval rating, apart from media favourite Alan Johnson. I am not surprised when you compare her to the approved candidates.

"Fellow Tory and environmental campaigner Zac Goldsmith would fare little better with a net score of –6.

In line with the poll’s overall findings, several Labour names do better. Diane Abbott, who has put herself forward, scores +13, while the former home secretary Alan Johnson – who has not expressed any interest – scores even higher, with +18.

The bookies’ favourite, Tessa Jowell, does somewhat less well, but still comes out with +11.

Net scores were lower, though still positive, for three lower-profile politicians on whom only a minority of respondents had a view: David Lammy (+9), Sadiq Khan (+2) and Oona King (+5)."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/27/london-labour-gains-general-election-poll

What is surprising is that Sadiq Khan scored so highly.

claig · 16/08/2015 12:09

'You're doing a persistent job of parodying unthinking populism but you haven't quite got your finger on the pulse with that one.'

Let's wait and see. I am not Labour, I am neutral, but I know that when I see Sadiq Khan and David Lammy (the Establishment's approved favourites) on TV, I scramble for the off button, and when I see Diane on This Week with the excellent Andrew Neil, I am interested to see what she says even when i disagree with her because I know she is for real and is not the Establishment's favourite. I think lots of neutrals robably think the way I do. Obviously the metropolitan elite don't, that goes without saying- they like Sadiq Khan and David Lammy.

straggle · 16/08/2015 12:04

She's a hypocrite. She criticised fellow Labour MPs for sending their children to grammar schools then defended her own decision to choose a fee paying school because 'black mothers would go to the wall for their children'. She's made similarly racist remarks about white Finnish nurses not being suitable to work in an east end hospital. I don't know a single 'genuine' Corbyn supporter who would vote for her. She did dismally badly in the 2010 leadership elections and the unions didn't support her either, as they do not now.

You're doing a persistent job of parodying unthinking populism but you haven't quite got your finger on the pulse with that one.

claig · 16/08/2015 11:14

Diane's decision to send her son to private school is small fry in the big scheme of things. OK, she is not like Saint Corbyn, who according to probably exaggerated reports divorced due to a row over sending one of his sons to grammar school, but who has principles like Corbyn, apart from Farage?

Diane did not vote for the war, on most of the big issues she held true to her beliefs and that is all the public wants at the moment. The reason for that is, in future when the metropolitan elite want some other policies that go against the people implemented, only the politicians who held true to their beliefs will stand up for the people and refuse to obey the metropolitan elite.

claig · 16/08/2015 11:05

Funinthesun15, Galloway is not Labour, he is his own one-man band, whereas Diane is a left wing maverick within Labour. At first on TV she was saying that Corbyn won't win, but now she has seen the light and has realised that Corbyn is being swept along by the public mood which will also sweep her in.

straggle · 16/08/2015 11:01

Yes, Diane Abbott is very different from the rest. She does telly with Michael Portillo, knows all the school City of London School mums, and inspires letters from Michael Rosen

Funinthesun15 · 16/08/2015 10:58

Why not Diane Abbott? She is with Corbyn, and if I remember rightly, Tessa Jowell has not said flattering things about him.

If you are going down the 'she is with Corbyn route' despite sending her DC to private school etc then you might as well say why not Galloway. He is 'with Corbyn too' if that is the criteria you are using.

ThatBloodyWoman · 16/08/2015 10:53

If Tessa Jowell is doing well,perhaps Corbyn voters should be careful about 2nd choices,as is her suggestion to keep him out?
Whats good for the goose.....

ThatBloodyWoman · 16/08/2015 10:51

Unscrupulous bosses could give reasons for Corbyn not getting in.
If he got into power we might return to a qualifying period for employment protection of a year,and an ability for people to access employment tribunals.
We might do away with zero hours contracts,and allow unions hold a ballot not subject to unfair restrictions.

ironmaiden999 · 16/08/2015 10:38

There are many reasons to vote Corbyn. Firstly he makes Labour unelectable,
secondly he makes UKIP more appealing. He does however have some interesting ideas; but his views on open borders are not what the public want to hear, so I say bring him on!................Grin