Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

He's fairly advanced in years and being a PM is a stressful job. Remember the Lib Dem leader a while back- Ming? He was voted in as leader and then discarded because of his age. Also factor in the party doesn't stand united behind him....

Need to point out re above post that the Tories are obsessed with pensions. They obsess over them, because pension schemes enable a minority of finance mogules to make shitloads of money whilst screwing people over.

What about care homes, medication for the over 60's, nursing care for the over 60's and housing.

No one gives a crap about pensions while the Tories are intent on destroying actual pragmatic social care for the elderly in their obsession with money.

A Corbyn gvt recognises actual care above private profiteering.

MrsUltra .... so you make sweeping political/demographic statement on around 70 million UK citizens, based on the people you know - that is good to know.

We are all clearly better off than those that lived in the 19th century to the post 2nd WW, but as those links I provided shows, for many 'working class' people, unless working for the government/local authorities, a Final Salary Pension that might enable pensioners to live comfortably, hardly exists thanks to Labour.

Just taking Council Tax, in 13-years under them it went up an average 105% in England, and if having to rely on a State Pension, what did it go up over those same 13-years, bloody peanuts.

LOL at 'deluded'
I am simply describing people I know.
Previous generations of our family were seriously poor and hungry - in the way that people now are not poor, and have no comprehension of how it used to be.
My parents (left school at 14) see their GC at famous and expensive schools they never could have dreamed of.
People (apart from the previously 'monied classes')_are better off now than they ever have been.

thehypocritesoaf.
Yes. Labour are shooting their own toes off. It's ridiculous. There is so much work to get out of this mess.

Thank you Pneumometer, I now get why the polis are so very keen to get people to vote. The self absorbed planet burner baby boomers rule.

My bet is - (and I'm aware I sound like an arse but I did v accurately predicte the general election result!!) Corbyn will get in but will last six months at most.

Looks like not just Tories, Blairites too are scarred of PM Corbyn.

"They've virtually said if jc gets in he has no real mandate.
Who does that?"

The Establishment

squidzin .... the majority of the economically incompetent smaller parties said "I agree with Miliband", or were willing to get behind him in a grand socialist coalition, so with FPTP all the economically incompetent parties got screwed over.

But for the UK population as a whole, not now in that Labour spiral to the economic/debt bottom, FPTP worked out just fine.

If they are trying so hard to keep JC out of Labour leadership, how much will they go against him in the general election? And what if Labour wins?

MrsUltracrepidarian .... are you serious about how much better of the elderly are and the "Labour Party has done its job" - have a nice government final salary pension, or just deluded?
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10698432/Final-salary-pensions-10-times-more-common-in-public-sector.html

Forgetting for one moment the UK has an UNFUNDED State Pension & Public Sector Pension liability of over £1.1 trillion ON TOP on our national debt, that will come out of annual government budgets for decades when come due;

But if those not working for the government HAS a decent pension, it is not BECAUSE of Labour, but DESPITE them, as they killed off company final salary pensions, taking an estimated £250 billion off their amortized values by taking away the lesser amount tax advantages.

Apr 2014; ”Revealed: Labour's 'stealth raid' took £118BILLION off pensions, 'paving the way for the end of final salary schemes as they were suddenly unaffordable'
• Gordon Brown scrapped tax relief on pension firms' dividends in 1997
• Move blamed for wrecking industry and decimating final-salary schemes
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2613609/Revealed-Labours-stealth-raid-took-118BILLION-pensions-paving-way-end-final-salary-schemes-suddenly-unaffordable.html

And as for the 'baby boomer's' in general;

”Baby boomers 'not as wealthy' as they are perceived to be, report says”

”A group of charities have produced a new report highlighting what they believe are unfair perceptions about the wealth of the baby boomer generation.”
home.bt.com/lifestyle/money/investing-pensions/baby-boomers-not-as-wealthy-as-they-are-perceived-to-be-report-says-11363998417886

So transparent it's Laughable.

I also think it's incredible that the Labour Party have so massively undermined this leadership election. They've virtually said if jc gets in he has no real mandate.
Who does that?

New Labour and the Tories were desperate to keep fptp because it always worked in their favour.

It was only minority parties that had a problem with it.

Now, all parties apart from Tory got screwed over by fptp and electoral reform is top of the agenda for all parties apart from Tory.

Pneumoneter has made some very good points on this thread.

DH & I (50s) are much better off than our parents.

Our parents are much better off than their parents were (DF rellies actually did die of starvation, no food banks then/DH family were dirt poor in Ireland - cloths on their backs and nothing else)
Our DC will be better off than us.
MC-born people in our neighbourhood are worse off than their parents who were professional people , big houses, boarding school.
There has been a churn, and a rising meritocracy of hard-working
'working-class' people 'making good'.
Labour party has done its job.
Elect Jezza, and the unreconstructed Islington Left can theorise, and agonise while the grown-ups get on with running the country.

Of course if JC gets the largest number of 1st choice votes but loses, then maybe people will think fptp is a great system and PR sucks.

Yeah, don't like the PR system. But fptp is not delivering as well.

Perhaps, second round of election between the 2 top candidates, like in France, is better.

No- it looks ridiculous that labour voters suddenly woke up to it. The system has been the same for a very long time. We had the chance to change it. Labour were happy not to change it when they thought they could win.

Yes everyone has woken up to fptp reform since more voters than ever before got screwed by 2015 election. More pressure than ever before for electoral reform.

It only used to bother the Lib Dems and maybe Greens.

Not now.

There is no pressure for abandoning first past the post. It was overwhelmingly rejected by voters on all sides.

There is no pressure for massive electoral reform. We had our chance.
it's been staggering the number of labour voters who seem to have just woken up to fptp (since they lost the election mostly)

Yeah, but lots of people in the USA believe that NASA faked the moon landing. Big place over there and gets a bit strange sometimes.

Lot of people in USA do not believe in Osama being killed by US forces. After all US did not put up any evidence so date. So called burial in the sea!!!!

Perhaps Osama was long dead too, like Mulla Omar.

All he said was 'solution has to be Law, not war'.

Terrible thing to say. Was it?

Wow. In 2011 Corbyn made a pacifists remark.
News-shock.