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Ukip in crisis: Nigel Farage could resign again

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claig · 14/05/2015 14:05

Oh my God, what are they doing to the people's party?

They've done us up like a kipper for the second time in less than a week.
There's 4 million votes on the line and they are playing us like a fiddle, having a right laugh.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11605216/Ukip-in-crisis-live.html

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claig · 14/05/2015 16:05

' the winner takes all.'

Yes, Lynton Crosby was the winner. Cameron 'taking a risk, having a punt, having a go' pulled it off, but ironically UKIP delivered some seats up for him by taking Labour votes in Labour's heartland.

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claig · 14/05/2015 16:01

'and thats how UKIP planed it right?'

UKIP is a collection of people. It doesn't have a brain. Some of those people will be Establishment, not UKIP through and through.

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:59

Claig .... and thats how UKIP planed it right?

Farage is a chancer, with no more of an ethical backbone than those pathetic lilly livered Conservative back benchers telling Cameron he had to do a deal with UKIP - the electoral cards fell in a way no one predicted, so no victory laps on the way they fell for bit part players, the winner takes all.

“(Nov 2014) Nigel Farage:UKIP could do deal with Labour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30029004

"UKIP could support a minority Labour government after the next general election, Nigel Farage has said."

“Asked by the New Statesman if he could back Ed Miliband as prime minister, he said: "I'd do a deal with the Devil if he got me what I wanted."

TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:55

whoever said tgat obviously has never been to thanet!

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:55

'Metropolitan elite?? In Thanet???'

The voters aren't, but the teenage advisers will be sent down there like a shot if it threatens the status quo.

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TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:54

slug Grin

TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:54

ukip are going to crawl back under their rocks thankfully. vile

slug · 14/05/2015 15:52

Metropolitan elite?? In Thanet???

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:50

'What are you like!?'
Grin

You have to look at it objectively. Are we being done up like a kipper, just used or someone's fish supper? Grin

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:48

"How ironic! Ukip helped save the Conservatives, writes LEO MCKINSTRY"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074242/How-ironic-Ukip-helped-save-Tories-writes-LEO-MCKINSTRY.html

How Ukip helped David Cameron win in the Midlands

In an area full of critical marginals, Labour’s complacency lost the party the support of an anxious working class – and handed the seats to the Conservatives

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/09/ukip-tory-tories-election

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Seriouslyffs · 14/05/2015 15:47

Oh Claig!
What are you like!?
Grin

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:44

If Carswell became an independent, I think he would lose the seat next time to UKIP. He may appeal to Martin Bell and the metropolitan elite, but I don't think he could appeal to the people of Clacton over UKIP.

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:43

Claig .... your UKIP 'helper of the Tories', who's 3% of the votes in 2010 cost them a majority but could have resulted in chaos for the country - and who's recent 18% Farage was looking to improve on, would have produced more chaos and gladly let in a pro EU Labour/SNP coalition. Guffaw

Let your Cameron hating boss Mr Putin, find his own Conservative Party stalking horse, don't ask my advice just because they want to change jockeys.

"Putin's army of pro-Kremlin bloggers"
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/revealed-putins-army-of-prokremlin-bloggers-10138893.html

fascicle · 14/05/2015 15:41

Why are you surprised, claig? UKIP is a shambolic party, full of contradictions. Its demise is inevitable. And don't overestimate the value of 4 million (protest) votes.

Martin Bell wrote a piece yesterday, on the merits of Douglas Carswell becoming an independent. Let's hope he gives it some thought:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/13/ukip-douglas-carswell-independent-mp

As for Nigel having a laugh, he seems increasingly irascible these days.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:34

Will UKIP disintegrate and fall apart just before the EU Referendum vote only to regroup to take votes off Labour in 2020?

Anything is possible with UKIP, because someone somewhere is having a right laugh.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:32

Is a teenage whizzkid from Oxbridge in a think tank having the final laugh?

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:31

Isit, UKIP helped the Tories. They took votes off Labour in the Midlands and North. They ended up with only one seat taken from the Tories.

Are UKIP, the Tories' secret weapon? Is it time for them to be disbanded or set back now that they have no use until possibly 2020 when they will again take votes from Labour?

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:27

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism,[1] being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

”I would rejoin Tories... but only with Boris as a leader, says (Wheeler) mastermind who plotted coup from his castle”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738810/I-rejoin-Tories-Boris-leader-says-mastermind-plotted-coup-castle.html
• Stuart Wheeler lit the fuse on the 'Carswell coup' over a secret lunch
• He has been wining and dining a number of dissatisfied Tory MPs
• Former Tory said he would not return to the party with Cameron as leader
• But that could change if Boris took over and brought in Ukip-friendly policies

Fickle or what?

Thank god Cameron is still leader, who WOULD have resigned for good if couldn't get an EU Referendum with a parliamentary majority - not that I think there would be any Wheeler way back to the Conservatives.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:25

House of Cards has nothing on what goes on in UKIP, and the Establishment will pull every trick in the book to try and stop them.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:22

' slippery or what'

You said it, not me.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:21

I am not a fan of Wheeler. It was reported that he wanted UKIP to find a role as a candidate for Neil Hamilton against what was reported to be Farage's wishes. It was also reported that he would rejoin the Tories but only with Boris Johnson as leader.

It is very difficult to know who is for real in UKIP, because the Establishment will have made sure to have people in at the top trying to end UKIP.

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:15

I'm just watching Stuart Wheeler on the BBC news, still a financial backer, rescued the party around the 2010 general Election, then stepped back from day-to-day involvement.

He just said that he thinks Farage should step down, and new talent become a leader - and pushed for names, said there were few, and pushed further said 'obviously Carswell our only MP is one' - he personally approached when Carswell was a sitting Conservative MP and got him to defect.

Wheeler feels that that UKIP has to move on from those 4 million voters and appeal to all the undecided and less extreme voters - so now we know where Patrick "they" O'Flynn's opinion comes from.

Wheeler was asked to leave the Conservative Party as backing UKIP as well, now he's backing another leader within UKIP - slippery or what.

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claig · 14/05/2015 15:11

"You are laughing at being made a fool of by a party you felt had your best interests at heart and you vehemently defend on here?"

I am laughing because life is a laugh, you mustn't take anything too seriously. "Always look on the bright side of life" as Monty Python said. We are often being played and conned and it may be happening again.

Why has Farage employed this relatively new team of advisers (one of whom may well be a "wrong'un")? Could Farage be the one having a laugh? I know it is heresy to even think such a thing, but could it be true?

I know it is heresy to say so, but is Farage having a laugh?

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SqueezyCheeseWeasel · 14/05/2015 15:06

You are laughing at being made a fool of by a party you felt had your best interests at heart and you vehemently defend on here?

"They" think your support is a joke. You are a joke. They are laughing at you.

Top class comedy indeed.

Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:02

Most of my opinions are on the other running UKIP thread, I can't be arsked to go through it again.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/2378147-Police-fraud-probe-in-South-Thanet

"They" are other people in UKIP who feel Farage is being badly advised by his closest UKIP advisors, no doubt down the pub where all important decisions are made.

"They" feel UKIP is making a mistake trying to emulate the anger of the U.S. Republican far right 'Tea Party' movement, as counselled by those UKIP advisors.

"They" believed Farage's gesture politics saying he would resign if lost, made him look a numb-nuts, his return before his office seat got cold, a mistake.

As for the "4 million votes on the line", I have a newsflash, you can't carry them forward to the next show like the finalists of a TV singing contest, they were only valid for the day.

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