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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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MehsMum · 11/05/2015 12:29

David Lammy has now said we have no problems with immigration in the Uk because lots of green fields in the countryside don't have any houses o them yet.
Seriously? He really said that?
Oh shit. I googled, and he did.
Does he plan on asking people who live in the countryside or small towns WHY they don't live in cities and don't want houses on all the local fields?
Perhaps not.

One of the several reasons I went off Labour was its complete failure to understand that not everyone lives in a bloody city. And that those of us who don't live in cities are not ignorant, racist, homophobic bumpkins.

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 12:27

Banana is absolutely right! When will Labour listen and learn?

Working people ( of all social classes) are sick to the back teeth of the something for nothing culture, of the amoral vacuum , of the lack of any social responsibility, self awareness and personal responsibility in great swathes of the underclasses who have been entrapped, pandered to and encouraged in their fecklessness, large families and idleness by Labour.

The workers are sick to death of being punished for working hard and living decent lives.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 12:06

Grrr. *were, not we're, autocorrect has ruined my rant!

And apologies Sour for appearing to rant at you - I am just ranting generally. Blush

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 12:04

the working people felt they were too right wing and wanted to punish them

No!

The 'working people' (I include myself in that) thought they were incompetent and would drive the country to ruin

The 'working people' we're fed up with being told what and how to think by a bunch of London elitists, and were fed up of being lumped into the same category as the 'underclass'.

The 'working people' we're fed up with being shackled to the state and any attempt at self improvement or aspiration patronisingly stamped on.

That is why the 'working people' kept Labour out.

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 11:47

Yes, I know . But it is privately owned and can only be sold if the farmers want to.

sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 11:47

Don't be too angry at Tory supporters OP....

Labour if they'd won, would only have given us the same old crap as the they will. Austerity budgets, ever rising tuition fees, continuing NHS privatisation, bombing Iraq, pointless Trident missiles, bank bail outs etc. Labour have shifted so far to the right to be as much the tool of big business as the Tories.

Labour slipped up massively by targeting the so called 'middle England' vote IMO with a large shift to the right. At the same time they alienated their traditional supporters. The middle ground thought them untrustworthy on the economy and the working people felt them too right wing and wanted to punish them. Almost one-third of the electorate saw no point in voting at all because no party has anything to offer them.

What we need is a new political party, one that offers a means through which the working class can be unified in a struggle against capitalism, which is the root cause of austerity and war.

LaVolcan · 11/05/2015 11:46

And no, you can't build on all those green bits, idiot, because it's farmland.That you know, belongs to someone.

Which they sell off for an absolute packet! DH has a farming cousin who has done exactly that. Made much more money that farming did.

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 11:46

Harriet Harman said this morning that Labour failed to get the message across. I disagree with her, they got the message over loud and and clear and the electorate didn't like it.

Grin Yup - in a nutshell!

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 11:41

David Lammy has now said we have no problems with immigration in the Uk because lots of green fields in the countryside don't have any houses o them yet.

Sp spaketh someone so woefully out of touch it beggars belief. And no, you can't build on all those green bits, idiot, because it's farmland.That you know, belongs to someone. Which is why no farmers will ever vote Labour.
Mind you, he's a metroploitan lefty so he probably thinks Waitrose grows his pre packaged artichokes out the back.

TheTravellingLemon · 11/05/2015 11:36

By all accounts Ed Balls is pretty unpopular amongst his own colleagues, which is quite telling, I think.

That's interesting because I've heard the exact opposite. That his bad reputation is not deserved. I've never met him though, so I can't really say.

No. Just no. If that's what people think is the solution. Bloody hell. There were people who support Labour cheering him loosing his seat!

So it's a smart idea to fight an election that is focused so heavily on the economy by hiding your candidate for chancellor? Sorry that seems bonkers to me. If you think he's not the right man for the job, boot him out in advance, otherwise have the balls (sorry, couldn't resist the pun Blush) the back up your decision. Don't try to hide it away. How can the general public be expected to have faith in him if the party doesn't?

claig · 11/05/2015 11:25

ironmaiden999 what is the word on the ground about Farage?

Is he tricking the metropolitan elite, lulling them into a false sense of security by feigning to retire from leadership, only to take it right to them in September by announcing that he is back in the fray or is he really eaving UKIP to take them on on their own?

Is he doing a Muhammed Ali, retreating to the ropes only to hit them with a sucker punch when they least expect it or is he leaving the People's Army to take them on all alone?

ironmaiden999 · 11/05/2015 11:18

The Tories are in power because the electorate didn't want the Labour Party in power as simple as that. Also UKIP voted Tory to keep Labour out. UKIP still amassed nearly 4 million votes.

The Labour Party despite repeated requests did not write an article for the Independent and small business magazine, this magazine is sent to 4 million small businesses. The comment Ed Miliband gave to this magazine was the following "The rise of self-employment could in part be evidence of growing insecurity in the labour market". All other parties gave a full page outline of their views on small business and it's future. Aspiration was not Ed's strong point.

Ed Miliband ignored votes on the question of EU referendum, he knows best and stated he would not give a vote on this very serious matter.

Immigration; refused to say how much immigration he would allow.

In other words, hopeless.............

I just hope the Labour Party, pick Chuka, the metrosexual, egotist, then they will truly be finished. Grin

clam · 11/05/2015 11:16

By all accounts Ed Balls is pretty unpopular amongst his own colleagues, which is quite telling, I think. He was conspicuous by his absence in the campaign, as was Gove, to be fair. Both of them raise the hackles of the public.

claig · 11/05/2015 11:16

'He is apparently an intellectual heavyweight and all round nice guy

WHATTTTTT??? In whose opinion?? Words fail me on that one.'

Are you denying that he is a heavyweight?

'Bloody hell. There were people who support Labour cheering him loosing his seat! '

Precisely, most of the Shadow Cabinet by the looks of it.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2015 10:45

He is apparently an intellectual heavyweight and all round nice guy

WHATTTTTT??? In whose opinion?? Words fail me on that one.

He should have been much more visible.

No. Just no. If that's what people think is the solution. Bloody hell. There were people who support Labour cheering him loosing his seat!

Thirdly, they don't listen. And judging by the threads on here recently this is as much a trait of their supporters as the party leadership.

Well yes. And if your supporters are going Ed Balls is a cock and I can't stand them, perhaps making him more visible isn't a good solution anyway as everyone has already made up their minds about him being toxic. But the leadership didn't listen to the opinion polls about Ed and Ed being not a particularly winning brand.

TheTravellingLemon · 11/05/2015 10:23

There are a few places I think labour went wrong, but they never had it in the bag.

Firstly, I think there was an image crisis for Ed M and he never really got past it. I'm absolutely not a floating voter but I think if I were I would struggle to vote for him for a number reasons. He doesn't come across as a statesman. He doesn't have charisma or gravitas. There was the stuff with his brother and his relationship with the trade unions. You could debate the rights and wrongs of voting on the personality of a leader rather than the policies, but ultimately it does impact.

Secondly Ed Balls failed massively. He is apparently an intellectual heavyweight and all round nice guy. Well this most certainly did not come across. He's also struggled with image. He's seen as a bully, which by all accounts is not true, but who ever cared about the truth? He should have been much more visible. This election was always going to come down to the economy and he should have been their trump card, not the weakest link. They completely failed to make an economic case.

Thirdly, they don't listen. And judging by the threads on here recently this is as much a trait of their supporters as the party leadership. The electorate is the point. They are who you are representing. Governments and MPs are servants. If you stop listening, then it doesn't matter how morally superior you think you are, you're not going to get in. The millions of people who voted Conservative are not all rich (I'm certainly not). The millions of people who voted for UKIP are not all racists or bigots. When you think you know better than the electorate you will fail because you are completely missing the point of democracy.

Guirado · 11/05/2015 08:49

Harriet Harman said this morning that Labour failed to get the message across. I disagree with her, they got the message over loud and and clear and the electorate didn't like it.

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 07:59

Labour had it in the bag? Grin.

Only on MN, eh?

Nope. The decent, hard working people of this country were quiet - only the Left ( as usual) were shouting us down and when we had the chance to vote - we voted!!!

LaVolcan · 11/05/2015 07:38

In fact Labour did have a good night here, coming third, and second in the neighbouring constituency.

LaVolcan · 11/05/2015 07:33

Labour most certainly did not 'have it in the bag' in the South East. I'm in one of those constituencies where they have had a good election if they manage to come third.

The Lib Dems ought to have romped home for my constituency but they blew it when they went into coalition with the Tories and then reneged on their promises about tuition fees. They have not been forgiven. How long will it take to win back support? Probably a generation.

RagstheInvincible · 11/05/2015 00:35

OP Labour had the election in the bag and they threw it away. If any of the disasters that you and the other doom and gloom merchants predict do come to pass in the next 5 years, Labour must take its share of the blame as well.

BlueBrightFuture · 10/05/2015 21:18

I think the fact that Labour is the party of the NHS is a seriously bad joke. Our local A&E was closed and mothballed under Labour as well as our local Maternity unit.

Our local GP has started offering one late night per week and Saturday morning appointments for commuters for about a year or so... Big improvement imo..

claig · 10/05/2015 21:11

'so she will do so in a roundabout way'

Absolutely. That is what Labour are all about - stitching up the majority in a roundabout way. Look at their election campaign - scare tactics. The Tories are going to dismantle the NHS, UKIP are going to privatise the NHS etc when neither were true.

The NHS is the only card Labour have got and they keep playing it and playing it but when anyone mentions Mid Staffs, they all go quiet.

Moonatic · 10/05/2015 21:05

Claig: I think you are probably wasting your time. The OP isn't looking for a political debate, she is merely Virtue Signalling.

As she says: " if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too."

What is she saying in her "letter"? That she is not selfish and heartless like the people who dare to vote Conservative. She is, therefore, a truly compassionate person and no doubt enjoys the warm inner glow of knowing she is morally superior and truly Virtuous. Of course, it would seem somewhat smug and boastful to come right out and say such things, so she will do so in a roundabout way.

BlueBrightFuture · 10/05/2015 20:57

I'm a single mum with 2 DDs. My marriage broke down not so long ago. I don't get benefits. I work full time, long days and earn a reasonably good salary but I'm by no means rich. I fully accept that I have to pay my way in life for me and my DDs. For us Labour and tax increases would have been a disaster. Nobody wants to see people live in poverty and I think there should be help for those who can not work due to ill health but I think it is equally wrong to keep taking money from those who work hard to make a better life for themselves to give it to those who don't. The idea only rich people pay the benefits bill is totally dreamt up. Those who are truly rich usually have very good accountants to make sure they as little as possible. I feel optimistic about the future and I'm not ashamed about it.

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