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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 18:34

Sorry to hear of your situation. If it isn't through choice that is? I too am wondering what political party I'm going to have an affair with. I voted Green in this lat election die to them being the only party to oppose TTIP.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 18:06

No, I don't think that at all sour, I'm just thinking out loud a lot and musing different viewpoints from the thread.

Sorry that my post came across as directed at you, it was more that I ranted off on a tangent from all of what you said Smile

YY culture - I am at a point in my life where I have found myself out of a job due to illness, and I've had my interest piqued a lot towards politics - I am churning over several things in my head and am seriously considering joining a party - I just don't know which one yet!

CultureSucksDownWords · 11/05/2015 16:41

I find it amusing that some Conservative voters on this thread like 80schild think that people can only do one thing at a time (or even, only one thing at all)...

It's perfectly possible to be discussing on this thread, whilst also taking action about the things that people aren't happy about! Perhaps even finding that discussing things on this thread might help crystallise the action that people want to take and give them the spur to take that action.

midnightexpress · 11/05/2015 14:55

What have the SNP done in their 7 years in power up here to create jobs?

sourdrawers · 11/05/2015 14:45

Do you think I want to promote a 'something for nothing culture' bananaramadramallama?

Labour have failed to do anything to reverse the decline in jobs and aspiration among it's traditional voters, in the areas that have been Labour since year dot. Traditional industry has died out in many places and that's that. But Labour have failed to do anything to get meaningful employment opportunities back to those areas. (The Tories you don't expect to anything).

I read sometime ago about a delegation of MP's, civil servants and various other hangers-on that were travelling the BRICK economies and beyond to get a deal on building wind turbines for some massive UK based, off shore development. Costing millions no doubt! Now despite years of Labour Govt, why didn't they insist we make them in one of the deprived area of the country where the jobs would be needed most? Imagine the effects that would have on the local economies, the workers, factories, the communities they serve and so on? Reason? The banks and venture capitalists wouldn't make any money that's why they didn't do it. This was a Labour govt mind you. Run by public school educated, middle class idealists with no understanding of poverty and deprivation.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 14:21

I didn't vote for or particularly like Labour either, I voted Conservative.

I'm just really interested as too how things will move on from here - I hope that a long overdue change is happening and have enjoyed reading a few mooted ideas on this thread (which in the later stages has become quite a nice thread, not the long winded ramblings of the OP and another poster!).

Viviennemary · 11/05/2015 14:14

I didn't vote for Labour or like them very much in the last four years. I think Labour voters have the right to be annoyed and voice their disappointment. It's only been a few days. It was nice to see all these Scottish MP's arriving at Westminster though. I hope it will be a bit of fresh air rather than same old Labour opposition.

80schild · 11/05/2015 13:42

Dear labour supporters on MN, about time to get a grip. The conservatives are running the country - it is better than no-one running the country or UKIP, Green party for that better.

All you have done is whinge about how awful life is and I agree, life is awful for lots of people, but whilst these people are getting on with their relative state of awfulness, trying to make the best of things, you are on here STILL whinging 4 days later, which means life can't be that awful.

Why not turn of your PC and go and find a useful cause for the next 4 years, like maybe getting involved yourself and joining the labour party? Or, is it just easier to write crap on the internet?

midnightexpress · 11/05/2015 13:39

Viviennemary - the Scottish parliament already has limited powers to increase taxes - that they have chosen not to use them speaks volumes about their claims to be a progressive party.

If I was DC, I'd be very tempted to give Scotland full fiscal autonomy - I suspect that once people realised how much independence would hit them in the wallet they might think twice about it. NS seems to be backing away from it now that it might be on the table - she's a canny politican. However, both the Cons and the SNP have a common enemy in Labour, so perhaps DC will avoid it too.

The claims about what NS said to the French ambassador have been widely discredited though, by both NS and the French ambassador.

TwartFaceBeetj · 11/05/2015 13:30

I was going to post something last week, that prescot had loudly 'hinted' at the fact that that was what she was up to, and thats that's when Ed started saying he'd have nothing to do with her.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 13:26

Exactly Moonatic, that's where it falls down.

Scotland voted No, so the majority don't want independence, but their only option for a Scottish Party For Scotland is the very party that wants to split up the union.

If the was a party 'for' Scotland that wanted to keep the union, and didn't have English responsibilities too, would that party eclipse the SNP? I think it probably would.

Viviennemary · 11/05/2015 13:25

Didn't realise she privately said that. Shock. She isn't daft that's for sure. I think what Scots want is this devo max (sp?) Lots of powers but keep the pound, defence the same apart from Trident. Set their own income tax and so on which looks like it's on the cards.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 13:21

X-post with Moonatic.

She is as shrewd as I thought then.
She's a damn good politician, I'll give her that!

Moonatic · 11/05/2015 13:21

"The thing with the SNP as Scotland's 'voice' rather than a smattering of different party representatives, is that the SNP only have Scotland and the Scottish people in their hearts and minds - they will make sure that Scotland is 'heard' and aren't letting anyone else down in the process iyswim."

That only works if you assume that all Scottish people want the same things. What about the 50% of Scots who didn't vote for a Nationalist party?

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 13:19

But she's not daft, is she?

This plays into their hands in as much as "look, a Tory govt - this is what we get if we stay in the union", she can blame all ills on the 'English Tory govt in England' whilst still showering Scotland in favours such as free prescriptions/tuition fees etc via the Scottish Parliament.
Thus, SNP are the good guys and Scotland would be better off going it alone....

(Although maybe I am too much of a cynic and conspiracy theorist!!)

Moonatic · 11/05/2015 13:18

Sturgeon is on record as telling the French ambassador that she would have preferred to see Cameron as PM rather than Miliband:

"Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, has privately said that she would "rather see" David Cameron win the general election because Ed Miliband is not “prime minister material”, a leaked memorandum seen by The Telegraph has revealed.

The SNP leader told the French Ambassador in February that she would prefer that "David Cameron remain” in Downing Street, according to an official account of their conversation seen by this newspaper...

...It appears to confirm growing speculation in Scotland that the SNP would privately favour another Conservative-led Westminster government - which it could campaign against in a bid to stoke up anti-English sentiment and make an "out" vote more likely in another referendum. "

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11514933/Nicola-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 13:14

The thing with the SNP as Scotland's 'voice' rather than a smattering of different party representatives, is that the SNP only have Scotland and the Scottish people in their hearts and minds - they will make sure that Scotland is 'heard' and aren't letting anyone else down in the process iyswim.

If Scotland is being represented with a smattering of Scottish Labour MPs, then Scotland has to jostle for attention within all the other electorate responsibilities Labour have, the other few party representatives are also largely toothless in that scenario.
With a block of 56 SNP representatives they are noticed.

(I am in England btw, but my family are in Scotland and I have lived equally between the 2 places. I have an interest in Scotland being heard, but not at the expense of the rest of the country).

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 13:11

She played dirty and got the Scots what they didn't want. A Tory Government.

The phrase hoist by her own petard springs neatly to mind....

claig · 11/05/2015 13:04

'I liked her but now not so sure. She played dirty and got the Scots what they didn't want. A Tory Government.'

But she is smart and probably got what the SNP want. I don't think they wanted a Labour government because Labour is/was their opponent in Scotland (even though Murphy is useless) and they don't want to help Labour. Now the SNP can fly the "progressive" flag against what they probably think are the "nasty" Tories (Cameroon's modernisers) and that will probably win them more votes in Scotland.

Viviennemary · 11/05/2015 12:59

I meant wasn't standing.

Viviennemary · 11/05/2015 12:59

If Nicola Sturgeon hadn't thrown the gauntlet down with her war like speech of kicking the Tories out of Downing Street things might have been a bit dfferent. That was the last straw for voters in England. And she was even standing as an MP. How can that be democracy. I liked her but now not so sure. She played dirty and got the Scots what they didn't want. A Tory Government.

bananaramadramallama · 11/05/2015 12:58

Labour will pick another city born & bred, career politician for their next leader & it will be the ruin of them imo.

I personally don't think Farage should come back as leader - he did the job he was selected to do and appealed to those working class people who felt they were being ignored by Labour (Scotland's disenfranchised Labour core defected to SNP).
imo I think that UKIP now need a clean sweep of the broom to force out those who still insist on the racist and bigoted approach (of which there are still some, unfortunately) and elect a fresh face for the future.

I would like to see the lib dems coming back as a valid and strong opposition party, too.

I am also quite pleased that Scotland as a country have a loud voice in Westminster now, Labour and Lib Dem took the Scottish voters for granted at their peril.

I am hopeful for the next 5 years, I voted Tory and am pleased with the outcome, but I am also hopeful that politics will become relevant to people again and that there will be a renewed sense of vigour to the country rather than resigned despondency and scaremongering.

claig · 11/05/2015 12:38

'Nigel Farage will be back, it is my opinion that he will announce his return at the UKIP conference coming up shortly'

That's what I think. I think that may be why Carswell has already ruled himself out. Farage is looking tired because the metropolitan elite threw everything they had at him. But there are now millionaires who have put money into UKIP and I think they will ask Farage to stay and take it to the elite, otherwise a lot of their money may be wasted. So Farage really has little choice in my opinion He'll be back and the panic of the elite will be on again

Horsemadbird · 11/05/2015 12:36

Absolutely. Whilst Sturgeon swans about like Lady Muck ( though decidedly less cocky now her chums are OUT) on 4% of the vote!

ironmaiden999 · 11/05/2015 12:30

David Lammy, another idiot. David Lammy wanted to cut the charitable status to the British Museum, why? Because he said not enough black people went there! The British Museum is open to everyone; if you want to go!

Wrote to him 5 times, did not receive one reply. Lammy should also be out forward as leader of the Labour Party, along with Diane Abbot (who said that we have too many "white nurses' looking after black people in hospitals in Hackney! Tristram Hunt is another candidate for the demise of the Labour Party, he's certainly a member of the metropolitan elite and was parachuted into his present position.

Farage. Nigel Farage will be back, it is my opinion that he will announce his return at the UKIP conference coming up shortly, well not his return but his putting his hat into the ring, if UKIP members want it. Of course the members will return Farage as leader.

Farage doesn't seem too perturbed about his failure to win Thanet South, he was blowing kisses to some Farage fans/voters at the VE celebrations! He didn't look upset!

Nigel Farage is hardly going to walk away from a party that was voted for by 3% of the public in 2010 to 13% in 2014, a party he has been involved in for over 20 years.

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