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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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blacksunday · 14/05/2015 19:12

No, I'm pretty sure if was ignorance and fear which gave the Tories enough votes to win a majority.

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ShellyBoobs · 14/05/2015 19:05

The Tory scum cabinet

Yours is the attitude that got Labour firmly booted up the backside.

blacksunday · 14/05/2015 18:55

The Tory scum cabinet:

We now have an equalities minister who voted against same-sex marriage.

A disabilities minister who voted against protecting child benefits.

A health minister who is strongly anti-abortion.

A prime minister who thinks the government should interfere in people's lives (speech, advocacy, protest) even when they are WITHIN the law.

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Well done, Tory voters.

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 14/05/2015 18:53

I don't think the cabinet is exactly a surprise. Not sure of your point op.

blacksunday · 14/05/2015 18:51

Well, Tory voters will now get the government they deserve - a cabinet full of reactionaries and utter morons.

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blacksunday · 14/05/2015 18:49

Yes, tell us how Labour caused the global financial crisis, Rooner.

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VanillaTwirl · 14/05/2015 16:11

As an aside, there is a link to a petition on change.org currently doing the rounds on my fb:
"Allow the north of England to secede from the UK & join Scotland".
It was started by 'Stu Dent', last year around the independence referendum, but has gained 10 000 supporters in the last few days.

It is yet another load of tosh, but the thrust of it is that its supporters believe 'the north' is irrelevant to old Etonian, London-centric politicians, and has more in common and would be better represented by Scottish politicians.

I know it's an irrelevance in the grand scheme of things, only 15 000 supporters out of millions, but the fact it is being widely shared shows what 'ordinary people' are disgruntled about (I have fb friends from all over Britain and the world due to my previous jobs, all with very differing political viewpoints).

When very educated people start getting into very intellectual debate about the economy, the right wing bias of the media, etc etc they do exactly what the mainstream politicians have done: they disenfranchise the masses.

People want things explained in laymens terms, they want to feel listened to and valued. This is not happening, the only people that spoke in terms that appealed to the masses were those who appeared to be the straight talking ones - this is why Farage and Sturgeon have appeal that transcends their actual policies and plans.
If the main parties want to have broad appeal, or to get more than 60 odd% of the electorate to bother to vote, then they need to reconnect with the country as a whole.

Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:49

In a percentage of the popular vote in any given general election, is that relevant, as don't affect the parliamentary 'scores on the Westminster doors' in seats - a 66 seat majority is no less valid on a lower turnout is it?

Roonerspism · 14/05/2015 15:47

I didn't vote Tory. But I can understand why so many did.

There is no way you can trust the Labour Party in its current form with the economy. I shudder to think about Miliband et al being entrusted with it.

Miliband didn't even have an economic policy. He didn't even accept Labour cocked up before!!!

I am against many of the Tory cuts. But something had to be done. It is head in the sand to deny this.

NRomanoff · 14/05/2015 15:38

On the subject of majorities; in 2005 Labour had 35% of the vote and had a 66 seat majority while in 2010 the Conservatives had a 36% share of the public vote and was 20 seats SHORT of a majority - which clearly is not explained by the Conservatives failing to surpass the panda numbers in Scotland.

Part of this is down to a lower turnout though too. 2001 and 2005 had lowest turnouts for quiet a long time.

Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:32

betseyfly .... the floor is yours and/or Russell Brands, ed-u-ma-cate us in how TTIP is guaranteed to affect all our lives/pockets, with qualified facts please.

ShellyBoobs · 14/05/2015 15:22

Just for a laugh - tell me honestly and without Googling it up; as you read this, ask yourself, what do you know about TTIP ?

Quite a bit in terms of supply chain; I was previously in EMEA SC for a large U.S. corporate and now work in the same field as a consultant. We've been doing a few bits on business feasibility for some UK SMEs in specialist manufacturing areas (pharma and life sciences mainly) where they're looking at the U.S. as a new market.

I know very little about TTIP potential in the public health sector though, that's very true. I'd have to look that up.

Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 11:38

TTIP ..... in a nutshell, I thought that it opens up competition across much of the world, so our businesses can compete in say America, but no one can force contracts on, say the UK public services ... am I wrong, can they e.g. the NHS, be forced to accept contracts from hostile providers?

betseyfly · 14/05/2015 11:07

ShellyBoobs I'm sorry you're taking it that way and of course you couldn't be more wrong.

Tell me - would you say the same thing to Prof Noam Chomsky, Edward S. Herman, John Pilger, Tariq Ali, Naomi Klein, Seumas Milne or anyone else who writes on the subject of how important the mainstream media is as a tool of established power?

We, ( so for you, that would be me and all the other people I look down my nose at?), need to seek out ALTERNATIVE MEDIA (media outside the mainstream) and get engaged in community action. We can use our own intelligence to make changes in our lives and our communities.

Just for a laugh - tell me honestly and without Googling it up; as you read this, ask yourself, what do you know about TTIP ? If your answer is nothing, don’t feel bad; you’re not meant to.

TwartFaceBeetj · 13/05/2015 22:58

A Quote from the comments section of your link isitme

What an unbalanced account - reading towards the end gives a completely different picture
"Alma Harris, pro-director of London University’s Institute of Education, has carried out separate research into the impact of support staff that found they had a positive impact on attainment."

Why print such a misleading headline when all research does not show what it states? Yet again schools and those who work in schools sacrificed on the alter of a soundbite or a titillating headline that must just be there to shock. We have lost balanced reporting - even the TES has been drawn into this!!

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 22:50

On the subject of majorities; in 2005 Labour had 35% of the vote and had a 66 seat majority while in 2010 the Conservatives had a 36% share of the public vote and was 20 seats SHORT of a majority - which clearly is not explained by the Conservatives failing to surpass the panda numbers in Scotland.

So we need English boundary changes before even the current FPTP system is deemed 'fair'.

Isitmebut · 13/05/2015 22:43

LumpySpacedPrincess .... please excuse me if I sounded dismissive, I was in a numbers contest trying to identify those public sector jobs that came, and may have gone.

The thing is I knew I was reaching into the back of my mind for a comment I've read before to even mention them, so while individually it seems unfair to the effort that went in (and successes), collectively the policy was seen as an education failure by those that may know more about it than me.

“TA’s;Teaching Assistants impair pupil performance.”
www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6022071

“Pupils who receive intensive help from teaching assistants make less progress than their classmates, damning research into a key Labour education policy has concluded."

caroldecker · 13/05/2015 20:24

No-one has got more than 50% of the vote since the Conservatives in 1930 (after the first Labour govt). Conservatives got 42% of votes in 1992 and v small majority. Labour got 43% in 1997 and a stonking majority.

Jux · 13/05/2015 19:54

I agree with NRomanoff as far as Bliar goes. I also don't trust this woman at all news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/representatives/profiles/25253.stm and have to think carefully over whether I can vote for a party which gives people like her any responsibility.

I am not a fan of the Tories at all, so am stuck with minor parties who seem to be becoming less and less relevant, except for the mad racists. There is no one I can vote for in whom I can have any confidence.

NRomanoff · 13/05/2015 19:01

I think they probably did. But it's not likely now. My assumption was, as this is a politics thread about the GE the word majority was self explanatory. But in future I will make sure I make it more clear in future. Thank you Smile

LumpySpacedPrincess · 13/05/2015 19:00

Clearly the 'fat' was in non front line services, and maybe apart from the hundreds of thousands on new Labour teaching assistants found not to have made any difference to our childrens education, that is where the axe fell.

Most classes would not function without teaching assistants. they are paid an absolute pittance and put in so many hours for free so that your children receive a decent education. Please do not be so dismissive. Sad

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 18:54

Yep, OK, and while it's to the advantage of any of the main parties the system won't change. But I think at one time, parties with most seats did get more than 50% of the vote, so it's worth specifying what sort of majority you mean.

NRomanoff · 13/05/2015 18:45

I use majority in the term of the won a majority, relating to politics and the GE itself. More voters, voted for them than any other one party. They won the majority. We have so many parties, no one party will ever get over 50% of votes. Especially when people keep insisting on spoiling ballot papers or protest voting.

LaVolcan · 13/05/2015 18:35

By what token is the 37% of those who did vote tory 'a majority'? Unless either the dictionary has been rewritten or the rules of arithmetic. It happened to give them more seats.

I agree you it's legitimate to ignore those who didn't vote; if they couldn't be bothered then they have to accept who they get.

Agree about Blair though.

NRomanoff · 13/05/2015 18:22

Wow this thread is something else.

The majority of voters, voted Tory, as did I. I am glad I did. There is no point counting the non voters into it. They didn't vote. As far as GE goes, they don't count. You have no idea how they would have voted. They could have all voted Tory, a mix or all for labour.

To whine and moan about the tories getting whilst also saying you voted for a party that had no chance of even coming close to a majority, or even being able to enter a coalition with the majority party is ridiculous, imo. If you desperately wanted The Tories out, you should have voted for someone who actually had a chance of making that happen.

I voted Tory, because I can not support Ed Balls, he is a shit MP and couldn't give a crap. He isn't trust worthy. I don't believe his or Ed Milibands plans for the country. I don't believe they are the party for working people. They haven't got a clue, neither have any of the celeb mates.

I also won't vote for a party that still rolls Tony Blair out in an attempt to give their current leader some credibility. If I had my way he would have been on trail for war crimes. Whether some Labour MPs opposed it or not, Labour still think Tony Blair has some credibility. Having lost a relative in that shitty war as well as some friends. I will not give my support to party that is so short sighted they think Tony Blair impresses people. I won't give my support to Ed Balls who can't even make sure he has enough money in his own bank account before he writes a cheque, never mind let him look after the country.

People are so sure Labour wouldn't have screwed them over, I am sure they would have screwed everybody. and the n claimed it wasn't their fault. It was the Tories fault, that poor Ed Miliband had no idea things were such a mess when he made his manifesto.