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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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Guirado · 10/05/2015 08:55

Labour are being punished for alienating the white working class.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 08:52

My parents were from two working class families, one in London and one in the North East. There has always been a split in the working class where some voted Labour and some voted Tory. My parents were Labour supporters but my Aunt and her family were staunch Tory supporters and still are. As much as I might disagree with her views the idea that she and her family are brainwashed and unintelligent is just ridiculous and insulting.

Its that kind of rhetoric that alienates people and prevents them from hearing your message. It is so easy to reach voters directly these days with social media, Youtube etc. etc. The plain fact is that not enough people were convinced by Labour's arguments. And don't forget 4 million people voted UKIP (many who are former Labour voters) who can be added to the right wing pile.

Labour are failing to reach people that in the past would have been their natural constituency.

claig · 10/05/2015 08:51

Micro, well that reason makes more sense than Labour's economic policy

BoeBarlow · 10/05/2015 08:51

This is exactly the same crap that everyone who voted no in the Scottish independence referendum had to put up with last year. I don't understand how some people can't accept that not everyone thinks the same as them and if they have a different viewpoint/opinion it somehow makes it less valid than yours.

No-one should have to explain their vote to anyone. This is a democracy, everyone has their say whether you agree with it or not!

MicrochipsAndMemories · 10/05/2015 08:50

I know someone who voted Labour because she thinks "it's funny that a group of men are called the same as a baby coming out of a fanny"

Seriously.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 10/05/2015 08:47

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SomewhereIBelong · 10/05/2015 08:47

yy Lemon - I would like to see Labour supporters come up with the reasons that people turned away from their party - actively turned away, decided to vote for someone else or couldn't be bothered to vote. Why wasn't Labour good enough for them any more? Why didn't labour win? Did they lose, or just fail to win?

Was it that people felt a coalition government was so crappy that they voted for the tories to have absolute power? Was the writing on the wall in Scotland - saying Labour will never again form a majority government?

ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 08:46

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claig · 10/05/2015 08:45

'A load of bollocks, generally.'

No that was the OP.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 10/05/2015 08:44

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 08:44

To be fair, the refusal of Labour and the left to acknowledge and accept that they and they alone are why the Tories won, is a great win to the Tories. Means they'll never get back in!

claig · 10/05/2015 08:44

'If Labour can't 'own' their defeat'

They got well and truly owned and they don't like it. The Right Honourable The Lord Kinnock said that voters were self-deluded. Talk about kettle and pot. Has he been smoking it?

Guirado · 10/05/2015 08:42

There is a thread that's just been started "I've joined the Labour Party" where were all these people before the the election if they were so keen on Labour. If that party can't engage voters until they actually lose the general election then they have more serious problems than I thought.

SoupDragon · 10/05/2015 08:42

If you could be arsed to understand irony, you would know what I really said

A load of bollocks, generally.

coffeecakeandgin · 10/05/2015 08:39

If Labour can't 'own' their defeat there is no hope for them. Learn and move on and stop bashing those who used their democratic voice.

Does the OP honestly honestly think there are those out there who will read her OP and think "oh alright then, I was wrong, I see that now, I'll join the Labour party tomorrow"

Credit those that voted conservative with more sense.

Madamecastafiore · 10/05/2015 08:38

Not just babies, the sick and disabled too Horses.

Agree re Russell, Emma et al, all hypocrites.

TheTravellingLemon · 10/05/2015 08:36

These voter-bashing threads are boring now.

People shouldn't slag off the electorate for the election results. They are what they are because Labour failed to make a convincing case. That's it. At the end of the day the fault lies with the party. Same as in every election.

It is up to a party to convince the population that they are best placed to run the country. In this case, labour failed to do that. In 1997 the conservative's failure was spectacular, but the failure was still theirs.

The millions and millions of people who did not vote labour are not selfish/toffs/evil/idiots.

How about a thread looking at how Labour failed to take down the coalition? Why people didn't trust them with the economy despite the unpopularity of austerity? Why Scotland turned so convincingly away? How the polls managed to get it wrong?

Voter-bashing is petty and mean spirited and misses the point I think.

claig · 10/05/2015 08:35

'If you could be arsed to do even a small amount of research you would know what it really said.'

If you could be arsed to understand irony, you would know what I really said

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 08:35

No, it said, "no money left you evil baby eating bastards"

TheoreticalOrder · 10/05/2015 08:34

I see the MN bullies are out.

SoupDragon · 10/05/2015 08:34

'It didn't say "ha ha".'

I'm surprised. Did it say "gotcha"?

If you could be arsed to do even a small amount of research you would know what it really said.

HoneyDragon · 10/05/2015 08:33

I find this very hard to read as quotes. Is it commentary or quoting. Is it just me that finds it hard to read?

(Sorry if it is)

We have a useful and often used magic hat ^ that makes italics and life a lot easier for fellow readers f you want to use it op?

pilates · 10/05/2015 08:33

Ok Ed, sorry blacksunday Smile

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 08:32

virginia - many lefties I know vote labour because their dad did/granny did so it cuts both ways.

claig · 10/05/2015 08:31

'It didn't say "ha ha".'

I'm surprised. Did it say "gotcha"?