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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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claig · 16/05/2015 22:35

'She was also a free-marketeer which within its own construct is anti working people.'

Yes she was but that is not anti working people and the working people of Essex handed Thatcher her election victories as they switched from Labour to Tory. And now they are at the forefront of switching from Tory to UKIP. Lots of working people believe that Labour hold them back and stifle their opportunities. Here is the Guardian's Suzanne Moore on her Tory supporting mother

"but again I think of my flag-waving mother, who nursed my “uncle” when he had Aids, who was half of a mixed-race couple when that was much frowned upon. She believed that the Tories would enable her to do things and that Labour would stop her doing them. I called her stupid many times when I was a teenager. I had to get over myself. Now we all have to get over ourselves."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/14/working-class-tories-are-not-just-turkeys-voting-for-christmas

At the time Thatcher came in, the unions had too much power, and she broke that power.

With hindsight she went too far on privatisation etc. and she made mistakes.

UKIP are similar to Thatcher in their anti-establishment and anti-elitist stance, but they are more leftwing than Thatcher and are winning votes all across the North of England which Thatcher could not do.

Times have changed and the wishes of the people have changed and UKIP is a relatively new party without any Establishment history or baggage and is therefore able to change and adapt to the wishes of the people without being hamstrung by established ideologies.

'This is why they need to be stopped.'

The Tories are trying to stop them by becoming a "bue collar party of working people". That may be successful but the Tories have one major weakness - they are politically correct progressives with rooftop wind turbines and the wish to impose minimum alcohol pricing and other nanny state regulations on working people. That will be their downfall and will open the door for UKIP.

Linguini · 16/05/2015 21:56

Christ. Yes, Thatcher was anti establishment.

She was also a free-marketeer which within its own construct is anti working people.
Her destruction of the unions, program of cuts and privatisation did very well in crushing the livelihood and quality of life for the actual hard working.
Yes, like ukip.
This is why they need to be stopped.

claig · 16/05/2015 20:09

AccidentalAnarchist, no I think MNHQ should leave your leftwing post.

claig · 16/05/2015 20:08

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom,

'she was opposed not merely by the opposition Labour Party but also by the majority of the British governing class'

Just like Farage

'mainstream media institutions — such as the BBC — pilloried her'

Just like Farage

'Thatcher was so widely despised because she spoke out on behalf of ordinary, hard-working people against a complacent and self-interested political establishment. She was always the outsider'

Just like Farage

Some metropolitan elite political pundits from Oxbridge think that the People's Army will disappear after an EU Referendum, but they don't understand what the People's Army is really all about. It is an anti-establishment party that counters the metropolitan elite, just like Thatcher.

AccidentalAnarchist · 16/05/2015 20:03

I know this is going to be deleted, sorry MNHQ...

But Claig, do fuck off

That's better BrewCake

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 16/05/2015 20:01

it represents the people against the Establishment and the metropolitan elite.

Alrighty then.

Bless Grin

claig · 16/05/2015 19:52

Thatcher's heart would have been with the People's Army, not with the Cameroonies.

"Thatcher knew the Tories had to be the anti-establishment party. Does David Cameron?"
...
One thing that Thatcher grasped was that deference was dead, that the Tory party couldn’t be the political wing of the establisment. Instead, it needed to be an anti-establishment force: siding with the citizen against over-mighty government, rejecting corporatist stitch-ups and redistributing power.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/04/thatcher-knew-the-tories-had-to-be-the-anti-establishment-party-does-david-cameron/

She was repeatedly obliged to face down prejudice against women as she searched for a seat in Parliament. Once in government she was opposed not merely by the opposition Labour Party but also by the majority of the British governing class.

As prime minister, mainstream media institutions — such as the BBC — pilloried her. Oxford University, in a particularly vindictive move, refused to give her an honorary degree, an award traditionally presented to every prime minister who, like Margaret Thatcher, had been educated at Oxford.

Even when she was in retirement the British political and intellectual classes never fully acknowledged her achievement. She was even hated by large sections of her own Conservative Party, which eventually turned on her and destroyed her.

Indeed, Thatcher was so widely despised because she spoke out on behalf of ordinary, hard-working people against a complacent and self-interested political establishment. She was always the outsider.

Her values of hard work, individual responsibility, self-sufficiency and an unembarrassed patriotism were derived from her lower-middle-class background in Grantham in Lincolnshire. This upbringing in the heart of Middle England was her strength and her rock, and she never once forgot it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305996/Margaret-Thatcher-The-outsider-core-steel-held-honour-long-English-spoken.html

She would have thought that the progressive Cameroonies were a joke just like the millions of Tories who have left them to join the People's Army.

claig · 16/05/2015 19:30

'you have to regurgitate whole opinions of others, in full.'

You're just sore because I don't regurgitate your "opinions".

'while spewing pre Soviet Union era class and privilege mantras'

I say the things the People's Army say, nothing to do with progressive communists. I'm not a progressive Tory moderniser, I'm People's Army and you are a Cameroonie lefty.

Isitmebut · 16/05/2015 19:20

Claig .. the difference between me and you, is that I have my own opinions and use a link and highlights to qualify them - you have to regurgitate whole opinions of others, in full.

You are a complete fraud, telling the board that you used to vote Conservative until 2010 - while spewing pre Soviet Union era class and privilege mantras - get your story/cover straight, dear.

claig · 16/05/2015 16:10

Are the Tartan Army, the Barmy Army or Dad's Army anything to do with the EDL/Britain First?

The People's Army is a laugh, it represents the people against the Establishment and the metropolitan elite.

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 16/05/2015 16:03

The 'People's Army'

Hmm, shades of EDL/Britain First there...

claig · 16/05/2015 15:39

'Claig, please don't speak for me'

I wouldn't try to, I can't get my head around some of that twaddle - it is modernising, misguided and missing a trick.

Isitmebut · 16/05/2015 15:30

Ha ha ha ha .... typical left-whingers, when confronted with Labour's record and the facts on the anti Conservative or free market scare stories, 'go personal'.

If someone seems to have a grasp of the facts, they are 'politicians', when looking at the record/ignorance of key issues and the recent intake, the last person I'd be is a politician.

Claig and I 'are one and the same', lol, still it fills the voids on the board of informed challenges, of the facts you want to read.

P.S. Claig, please don't speak for me, especially with the stupid labels you use e.g. 'modernisers', especially as time and time again I've shown you that the core Conservative ideology i.e. what drives a sustainable economy, the size of government should be what it NEEDS to be not an employment fest, citizens keep more of their own money, defense, education, law and order etc etc - are still in place.

claig · 16/05/2015 15:11

Isitmebut supports Cameron and the modernisers, I support the People's Army and Farage.

Isitmebut dislikes UKIP. I don't mind the Tories, but much prefer UKIP.

Isitmebut is for Cameron, I'm for common sense.

sourdrawers · 16/05/2015 15:07

I reckon Isitmebut and claig are actually the same person.

I reckon so too LumpySpaced! Their posts have a very similar same right-wing tone and they both seem to be very ready with the Tory Party HQ/ The Spectator / Daily Mail statistics and links on hand. Plus they both seem to be talking to themselves. Long may that continue...

claig · 16/05/2015 14:55

And here is the politician who has burst their Oxbridge teenage bubble and put the wind up our entire elite simply by speaking common sense, something that will gain many more votes over the coming years

“The people of Doncaster, and a large swathe of Northern constituencies are utterly fed up with the seminar room, teenage politics of the modern Labour Party and they are increasingly turning to UKIP to provide a real alternative,” Mr Farage added.

www.thestar.co.uk/news/ukip-s-nigel-farage-says-party-can-oust-ed-miliband-and-win-doncaster-seats-1-6944560

claig · 16/05/2015 14:52

Lynton Crosby is spot on about Miliband and this is I what mean about our teenage elite

"And what about Mr Miliband as a candidate?

“He really was a sort of first year politics graduate who thought he had the answers to the world’s problems - who’d done a year of the course and it was just that other people hadn’t been as smart as him in the past to implement the policies that he believed in."

And he is also right about our political pundits, BBC and all the rest.

"Most went to Oxbridge, talk only to themselves and last time they met a punter was when they picked up their dry cleaning."

Have our hoodie hugging Tory elite got no one in England to help them see the truth, are they too clever to read our Daily Mail, why do they need a clever Australian to help them win and beat the teenage team?

claig · 16/05/2015 14:39

No I have said that the teenage groupthink is the thinking of our Oxbridge metropolitan political class who use the media and BBC etc in order to try and frighten and scaremonger the people that the "Tory scum" are uncaring and will scrap the NHS and make people suffer poverty because they don't care about them.

In my opinion, the groupthink is the W1A BBC, Canon Giles Fraser and the leftwing metropolitan intelligentsia.

'Why are the Tory party exempt from the charge of being out of touch Oxbridge elite?'

The are not which is why I vote UKIP. The Tory elite are less out of touch than Labour because their philosophy is closer aligned to the philosophy of most people, but they are a product of the same Oxbridge mentality and groupthink that believes in hugging hoodies, preaching to people and imposing minimum alcohol pricing on them "for their own good". They have a similar patrician, Etonian, Oxbridge disregard and disrespect for ordinary people, but less so than the leftwing teenage elite.

CultureSucksDownWords · 16/05/2015 14:29

It sounds dangerously like you're saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you, or worse actually supports the Labour Party, are by definition guilty of this "groupthink" and are brainwashed. I'm sure that's not what you meant though.

Why are the Tory party exempt from the charge of being out of touch Oxbridge elite?

claig · 16/05/2015 14:27

In this election, the public broke their groupthink and laughed at it. They said that the leftwing emperor had no clothes. Now the leftwing emperor's devoted acolytes are abusing the people and calling them uncaring Tory scum for having dared to vote against them.

claig · 16/05/2015 14:22

No they don't represent them all, but I think they represent a lot more than the Labour leadership think. The more free speech, the more diversity of opinion the better in order to end the teenage groupthink of our conformist political class that does not serve the best interests of the people.

As the Daily Mail journalist so rightly said

"This is not so much an issue of conscious bias as it is a case of what the American writer William H. Whyte once called ‘groupthink’: an intellectual conformity which is all the more insidious because it is so unconscious."

CultureSucksDownWords · 16/05/2015 14:18

Not all non-left voters think the same thing. The opinions in the article are representative of the author and what they think the readership of the DM want to read. They don't represent the opinions of every non left voter.

claig · 16/05/2015 14:09

'which you haven't spotted'

I did spot it. I made a mistake in the posting. I apologise.

Yes it makes the post long, but the whole thread is far longer amd I think that the points it makes are very relevant to the disdain in which some of our left wing metropolitan intelligentsia hold ordinary people. If you can read the whole thing, then I think it is worth it, if you only get time to skim the quotes that I have posted, then I think that is also useful to understand how non-left voters see things. If you think it is rubbish, then that is OK too.

CultureSucksDownWords · 16/05/2015 14:05

You've pasted the same bit twice in that long post as well, which you haven't spotted.

I don't care what the source of the text is, in a long post like that anything would become hard to read. Perhaps it's worse because I'm on the mobile app which doesn't lend itself well to long posts.

claig · 16/05/2015 14:00

It makes a lot of good points about our teenage Oxbridge bien pensant progressive poseurs and penseurs amd makes more sense than the hieroglyphics on the elusive Edstone.