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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

OP posts:
blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:39

ordinary, decent people who just want to work hard, pay their dues and get on in life.

Right, because non-Tory voters don't want this.

Do you think those people who work 40 hours weeks on minimum wage work hard? Cleaners, carers and barristas?

And what about the people who can't work? Do they not count? The sick, the disabled?

They are sick to the back teeth of the bloated welfare state,

There's no bloated welfare state. It has been pointed out 1000 times before that the welfare system is not particular generous and is about average or below average for europe. This is one of the Tory myths which they propagate to shrink down the size of the state.

the fat cat top dog council workers on six figures,

You've got to be kidding me. The UK bailed out private banks hundreds of billions of pounds and subsidises corporations annually hundreds of millions of pounds, and you're complaining about well paid council works?

of being pushed down the housing queue because an immigrant who has just arrived needs it more. And no that isn't fucking racist!!!

Yes it is racist. Immigrants aren't the cause of the UKs problems. There is a housing crisis in the UK and it's not because of immigrants. It's because of decades of lack of house building - partially caused by not wanting to affect the housing bubble of Daily Mail readers.

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nicecuppateaandahobnob · 10/05/2015 10:38

I'm one of the 1% and I feel quite good actually that I contribute £130,000 per year in income tax alone towards helping people on low incomes.

I don't use state schools or the NHS - pay for private GP appointments even.

I sleep fine thank you very much. I will never feel that I'm not making a significant contribution to society through the tax I pay, the charities I support and the voluntary work I do.

SweetiePie0 · 10/05/2015 10:38

We all voted for who we felt could do the best job. Very sorry that your preferred party did not get picked - you lost. Now get over it.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 10:37

Russell Brand is just a raging Narcissist who will do anything for attention. Look how he turned on Miliband when Labour lost - and he probably only did that for more publicity. Why Labour gave him any oxygen I have no idea. I think that is a good illustration of how Labour were at a loss of knowing how to connect with many voters.

DrElizabethPlimpton · 10/05/2015 10:35

After many years on MN, for the first time I'm feeling as though this isn't for me. Yes I understand that political views can stir some people more than others. However, the abuse heaped on people for exercising their legal right to vote, is becoming boring and best and decisive at worst. If you want to turn people off of politics and and healthy debate, you are doing a fine job.

Guirado · 10/05/2015 10:32

The welfare system is seriously bloated, it was part of Labours plan to have as many people as possible dependent on benefits especially in work benefits. All tax credits do is subsidise employees so they work for a pittance while the shareholders reap the profits.
The perceived increase in child poverty is relative. Food banks have always been available but have been publicised like never before. Now people know about them potential claimants can actually ask to be referred, they won't always be referred but plenty will.

The bedroom tax was first mooted by Labour and would have been introduced by them had they got power in 2010.

The Conservatives have promised not to increase tax or NI for the duration of their term. I don't want to pay more tax, it's not greedy to ask to keep at least 60% of what I earn.
It is greedy to ask people who work their socks off to subsidise people who don't want to do more than the minimum work necessary to claim some benefits.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:24

OP - so you seriously believe that now we have a Tory government they are going to abolish the welfare system, abolish the NHS and close all state school schools?? You are talking utter nonsense!

The welfare system is already being dismantled. The huge rise in food banks, child poverty, homelessness and suicides is evidence of this.

The NHS is already being privatised. This started to happen under Labour and continued at an accelerated pace under the coalition. After five more years, the NHS will be unrecognisable.

I don't know enough about Tory plans for state schools to comment. Although I am aware that every person I've or talked to in higher education thinks Gove was a clueless fool with no idea about how education works.

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FunkyPeacock · 10/05/2015 09:57

OP - so you seriously believe that now we have a Tory government they are going to abolish the welfare system, abolish the NHS and close all state school schools?? You are talking utter nonsense!

Yes, I went to state school and so do my DC
Yes, I use the NHS and so do my family

No, I didn't vote for Labour on this occasion

If all the crap being spouted on MN is even 50% true then clearly the Tories will lose the next election with a landslide by Labour

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 09:51

I have friends and colleagues from every walk of life. I don't know how they all vote, obviously, but of those that do 99% vote Tory. Some are very wealthy, some poorer, some WC, some MC , some UC. Every one of them feels that Labour are for the underclass and minority groups and the metropolitan elite. Peopel like Russell Brand FGS and Martin Freeman only serve to alienate and reinforce how hideously, arrogantly out of touch the Labour party are with ordinary, decent people who just want to work hard, pay their dues and get on in life. They are sick to the back teeth of the bloated welfare state, the fat cat top dog council workers on six figures, of being pushed down the housing queue because an immigrant who has just arrived needs it more. And no that isn't fucking racist!!!

Labour - LISTEN to the wonderful, decent working people of this amazing country . Then go away and begin to represent them but more importantly learn some fucking respect for them.

ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 09:48

MNHQ won't delete a thread railing against the Tories.

HoneyDragon · 10/05/2015 09:44

If we're sticking to guidelines than the op itself is a Mahoosive swathing personal attack on members of Mumsnet.

If the op keeps it up, than no, we can't tell them to fuck off, but MNHQ can by the medium of the big red button.

Also

Isn't Thatcher a bit dead? Or is she a zombie like the Queen mum?

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 09:41

Anyway, shouldn't the whole thread be deleted because the OP has actually personally attacked every single person that has voted Conservative. She has made sweeping and inaccurate, stereotypical and offensive generalisations about a group of people. Her OP is most offensive than any Saxon swear word in my opinion! [which doesn't count on Mumsnet because I don't quite fit in, the slightly common country bumpkin at a garden party where everyone is "left wing" but will home school their average children rather than let them mix with people that go to the local comp [shudders at the thought].

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 09:34

It wasn't a personal attack though! It was a reaction to none of the most ridiculous OP's I have ever seen, frankly enough is enough. Manipulative rubbish!

ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 09:34

Sorry! Blush

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 10/05/2015 09:30

@Cherriesandapples

Mumsnet deleted my post suggesting that OP "fuck off", yet it clearly states in the talk guidelines that swear words will not be deleted. Would I say it to OP's face, yes, I absolutely would, because she is talking shite!

We don't care about swearing but we don't allow personal attacks- regardless of whether you would say it to someone's face Hmm

@Cherriesandapples

Yet Shellyboobs, who I totally agree with, has not been deleted for saying exactly the same thing! Hmm

It has gone now

EugenesAxe · 10/05/2015 09:27

cherriesansapples - they delete personal attacks; your swear will not have been the sole reason.

EugenesAxe · 10/05/2015 09:26

I'm reminded of the line in Elizabeth when she says 'Then let it all be done' and then goes and chops off lots of heads.

I think many people voted Tory because they feared change in a volatile time; they were also worried about what a Labour-propped-up-by-SNP government (even if not a coalition) would do.

I think the next five years will see developments that completely change the political landscape (which is where I was going with the quote) and the next election will be the one that speaks volumes about the electorate.

If PR debates continue and we do ever get something like it, I would be interested to see how it affects things. My seat has only ever been Tory, so I voted Tory to ensure UKIP got absolutely no look in. Had it not been a wasted vote I would have voted Labour or Green. I reckon there would be lots of reds hiding under 'safe Tory seats' that would come out and vote if it made a difference. Although I hate the idea of the mansion tax and hope they just go with a simple tax increase for the upper band. Interfering with markets is only going to fuck up natural forces of supply/demand. I'd like to see no 'super rate' but a higher top rate than 40%, and a slight increase to the threshold at which you pay it, to help out all those families with only one earner that struggle more than they should because they slip into top rate. I think an overall increase could probably cover that and more.

BuriedSardine · 10/05/2015 09:25

Now, they see Labour as the party of those who don't want to work or who only want to work enough to maximise their in-work benefits. The party who are too soft on immigration. The party who are more concerned with the rights of immigrants than of the British

How true.

Labour need to stop telling people off for how they feel and start listening.

They could spend some time reading left-wing threads on MN and learn how not to absolutely alienate people by haranguing, accusing all and sundry of racism, elitism and using incorrect terminology to gag anyone with differing opinions.

I've been watching the groupthink grow since the last election and it's come home to roost, sadly.

It's no wonder people kept quiet and voted against them.

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 09:24

Yet Shellyboobs, who I totally agree with, has not been deleted for saying exactly the same thing! Hmm

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 09:23

Mumsnet deleted my post suggesting that OP "fuck off", yet it clearly states in the talk guidelines that swear words will not be deleted. Would I say it to OP's face, yes, I absolutely would, because she is talking shite!

ShellyBoobs · 10/05/2015 09:09

Labour are being punished for alienating the white working class.

This is the crux of it^^

We have many friends who, half a generation ago, would have been absolutely Labour's core - skilled tradespeople.

Now, they see Labour as the party of those who don't want to work or who only want to work enough to maximise their in-work benefits. The party who are too soft on immigration. The party who are more concerned with the rights of immigrants than of the British.

I'm not saying I agree with all of the above, but it's what I hear.

Labour's message seems to have been one of talking about helping those at the bottom and punishing those at the top, with barely a mention of the majority in the middle. That's where they have gone wrong in this GE campaign.

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 09:07

I started reading the OP to the background music of Simon Mayo's 'confessions', then realised quite quickly that I couldn't in fact be arsed to read the tedious drivel at all.
I got as far as the third line.

Horsemad has it spot on throughout this thread imo, (and I sincerely hope the OP takes HoneyDragon's advice re quotation etiquette Grin).

Labour lost. They lost for many reasons, but the most shocking is the fact that 'lifelong generational Labour voters' have been haemorrhaged to SNP & UKIP.
As a party they need to regroup, own their defeat and learn from the reasons why (as a pp said), and stop taking their core vote for granted.

Endless boring drivel, rioting thugs and rich 'celebrity' protesters do not engage the ordinary person.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 09:05

True Guirado and Gawd help you if you are working class and Catholic. Every article in the Guardian that mentioned Catholicism in a big slagfest. I understand that people hold different views but constantly denigrating the views of your own supporters is a shortsighted strategy.

BuriedSardine · 10/05/2015 09:00

Couple of thoughts:

If you made sweeping and pejorative (as well as ignorant and ill-informed) statements about great swathes of your fellow citizens based on, say skin colour or accent, there'd be a riot.

Unless of course you have personally met everyone who didn't vote labour and know exactly what makes them tick?

Secondly, I think I am 'open letter' to those who couldn't be arsed to vote would be a much better use of time than frothing at people with different political opinions, in a democracy, and feeling 'goaded' when you don't get the reaction you wanted.

It's all getting a bit silly now.

BrillBrilloPads · 10/05/2015 08:57

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