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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 11:20

Many years ago when I was young and foolish we were involved in road protesting .

We met quite a few full time " anarchists" who spent their days ranting about the Evil Tories and marching up and down the country waving banners.

Except on signing on day when they were all busy collecting the giros provided for them by the very people they spent their lives despising.

Whatthebobbins · 10/05/2015 11:16

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 11:16

blacksunday - whilst you and others of a like mind pigheadedly refuse to accept that Labour is 100% responsible for it's own abject failure, you will continue to be the gift to the Tories that just keeps on giving .

MozzchopsThirty · 10/05/2015 11:14

Re food banks

In two years I have probably issued 5 vouchers (deprived inner city area)
These have been almost exclusively due to relationship breakdown or domestic violence.

wigglylines · 10/05/2015 11:13

It's not about not agreeing with the way people voted, that's not why so many of us are incredulous that people voted Tory.

It's because it's so hard to get our heads round the fact that people have voted for a government which will bring in policies which will cause mass suffering and even death for many, disproportionately some of the most vulnerable in our society.

So, either our country is full of sociopaths. Or lots of you don't really understand what you voted for.

And the debate on this the last few days have proved that a very great many Tory voters have their heads in the sand, and don't really understand the implications of Tory policy.

A large amount of blame has to be attributed to Labour IMO, they've been incredibly weak in opposition, and have allowed the Tory lies that Gordon Brown cause the (global!) financial crisis, that severe cuts are the road to recovery and that the Tories borrow less that Labour stand largely unchallenged.

So, when I see people saying they voted Tory because of things I know to be blatantly untrue, it's not as simple as saying "you have a different opinion and I don't like it". It's more "you have an opinion, based on lies, and the result of your votes will cause suffering for 100,000s, including you, probably. What can I do to help pull the wool from your eyes!"

We're not saying "why didn't you vote Labour" - even many Labour supporters voted with a heavy heart this time, and are well aware why people might not want to vote Labour after they have been so weak recently. What we're saying is "how could you possibly vote Tory?"

I continue to believe the majority of Tory voters have been misled, because the alternative is that you understand what you've just done, and that's much, much worse.

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 11:11

back fox hunting on day 1

Nope. You are wrong. They will offer a free vote to repeal a fudged Hunting Act that has actually never banned fox hunting on horseback with hounds AT ALL.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 11:10

Ridiculous.

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Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 11:06

Heyllbunny - absolutely.

I remember thinking when Emily Thornberry sneered at a family's home and Gordon Brown called a lady who had legitimate concerns about immigration and when Miliband refused to admit they'd over spent - wow. that's it. They're done for. It's alarming to think just how deeply out of touch the party is.
It's the same on MN - if you are an ordinary person you are invalid, unimportant.
The only people the Left give a shit about are the underdogs, teh underclass and the great ordinary class has had enough, You rule and govern for the good of the majority. Those are the working people of this country. Those are your priorities but no - Labour simply saw us all as cash cows to fund their entrapped benefits claiments and bloated public sector employees.

youarekiddingme · 10/05/2015 11:02

I have to be honest I was gutted that the Tories won by a majority - but glad it was a fairly small majority. I did not vote labour either.

I'll reserve judgement on whether I think Tories are good for next 5 years or not until 2020. However - I am massively concerned because the daily fail does support the Tories so those who fall into the daily fails hate category are rightly going to be concerned about a Tory government.

I am one of these people. I'm a LP, I work in education, I earn a low wage, I have a disabled child and I live in HA property. I therefore rely heavily on some of the services that are suspected to be cut.

I also think Conservatives have not helped themselves by announcing they will bring back fox hunting on day 1. This is seen as a societies people sport. It does feel almost as if they have done it to make a point to those who believe the richer richer and poorer poorer stance.

I will also add that our council representative who has done a lot for me over the years was Tory. My ward is a Lib Dem. locally I think people can make a difference and hopefully they'll take this to Westminster and we will have a strong government.

MissOutstanding · 10/05/2015 11:02

I wasn't allowed to vote (blessing in disguise?) in the national election as a European citizen. Quite frankly, the level of hysteria and polarisation is bewildering. The Conservatives are a Democratic Party and, as far as I can see, not the devil incarnate. You might not agree with their policies, fair enough, but keep it real, people! You'd think they are secretly plotting to round up everybody and let them starve in their ghettos... Hmm
bet you somebody will come on and say that's exactly what they are plotting behind closed doors

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 11:01

blacksunday all these messages would have been much more powerful if they came from a working-class leader and not from an Oxbridge educated, professional politician and policy wonk who lives in a big house in an expensive part of London. It becomes a message about "those people" not themselves. So their message is YOU all need to help these poor people while I will direct operations from my ivory tower. The dots don't connect.

I am from a family of staunch Labour supporters and they all feel very disillusioned by Labour leadership. I think they are especially alienating working class men.

Viviennemary · 10/05/2015 11:01

I'm glad the Conservatives got in because I didn't want an Ed/Miliband left wing club ruling the UK. I will wait and see what the Tories do. If Labour gets a new leader who talks sense and speaks about helping the truly vulnerable then I might vote for them. Til then they can live in their little Marxist two kitchened world cocooned from reality. Honestly, who on earth did they pick Miliband. Anyone would have been better than him.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 11:00

BTW, just to be clear: That's not my blog. It's a blog post I found that someone shared with me and I posted here.

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fiveacres · 10/05/2015 10:59

Actually some people so go to food banks for free food.

'I've not had my voucher yet. Can I have it now?'

That was said on Tuesday with regard to food banks.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:59

Before the election, we had thread upon thread telling us to vote, people died for the right etc.

Yet when people do vote, and its not to the liking of the MN majority, its a totally different story.

Not at all. I'm not suggesting that Tory voters should have their right to vote revoked. I'm arguing that they voted for psychopaths.

Argument and debate is perfectly within the realm on democracy. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.

And I really don't understand the OP, why you didn't vote Labour and why you are so anti them.

Because they are a neo-liberal party. We've had 30 years of destructive neo-liberalism and the West needs a change.

Society cannot tolerate much more poverty, inequality, privatisation, environmental destruction, etc.

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:54

Guirado-

The perceived increase in child poverty is relative.

No, there has been an increase in both absolute and relative child poverty. Absolute poverty meaning lacking the basic essentials like three square meals, heat, and clothing.

Food banks have always been available but have been publicised like never before. Now people know about them potential claimants can actually ask to be referred, they won't always be referred but plenty will.

This is complete and utter nonsense and a rationalisation that people tell themselves not to feel bad. The rise in food backs is because of the rise in demand for food banks.

People don't go to food banks on a whim or for free food. They go there as a last resort.

The bedroom tax was first mooted by Labour and would have been introduced by them had they got power in 2010.

Who cares? It's still wrong and it should be abolished immediately.

It is greedy to ask people who work their socks off to subsidise people who don't want to do more than the minimum work necessary to claim some benefits

As for in-work benefits. I agree that we shouldn't be subsidizing corporations to pay low wages. You're absolutely right.

But we can't just stop the subsidies and expect people to get by and support families on less than a living wage. People need to be paid a fair wage for a fair days work.

Is it not reasonable to demand a living wage for a 40-hour week? Why should anyone have to ask for state subsidies or use food banks when they are willing, able, and work hard full-time to support themselves and their family?

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TheCrimsonQueen · 10/05/2015 10:53

I voted Tory. That was my choice. I know there are people out there who are Angry about it.

"Choice"...isn't that a lovely word.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 10:52

Great post bobbins so much more sensible than so much being spouted.

heylilbunny · 10/05/2015 10:52

Umunna is on TV this morning saying the Labour message of compassion was not balanced with that of aspiration. I think this is true. Labour doesn't talk enough about hope for the future and all their slogans were very blah. Labour has let their dominant voice become that of a London Elite that think they need to teach us all how to think. A big appeal in the past was leadership coming throughout the working-class ranks into Labour leadership. Now they are basically giving the impression that the working class can't make it to leadership anymore. What does that say about their party?

I am a not a Conservative or a UKIP supporter but at least it is very clear what they stand for and we all except an upper-class to lead the Tories. Now Labour leadership are almost identical to the Tories and Liberals.

IsabellaofFrance · 10/05/2015 10:51

Before the election, we had thread upon thread telling us to vote, people died for the right etc.

Yet when people do vote, and its not to the liking of the MN majority, its a totally different story.

And I really don't understand the OP, why you didn't vote Labour and why you are so anti them.

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 10:49

Bobbins- what a perfect post! I so agree -in fact Chuka Umunna says something very similar in the Guardian.

Labour are hideously out of touch. And that has been borne out by the election result.

blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:46

nicecuppateaandahobnob-

I'm glad. Thank you for your contribution.

Unfortunately, this large amount won't get to the people who need it if we continue to abolish social security and privatise the health service.

Furthermore, if more people we paid a decent wage and had job security, then fewer would need to rely on social security and public services - much like yourself.

Unfortunately, we are heading in the opposite direction, and have been for some time now. The Tories have attacked workers rights in law, attacked unions, and driven down wages.

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ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 10:45

......I would have chosen the Greens. Quelle surprise, OP.

Whatthebobbins · 10/05/2015 10:43

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 10:42

We all voted for who we felt could do the best job. Very sorry that your preferred party did not get picked - you lost. Now get over it.

If you're talking to me, SweetiePie, my preferred party had no chance of winning a majority, and I didn't expect them to win.

Given the choice of neo-liberal parties on offer (Tories, Labour, UKIP) or minority parties, I would have chosen the Greens. They can't possibly be any more insane than what we have now.

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