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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 20:51

Labour's ""education, education, education" and their ridiculous targets of getting x% of young people into university was destructive.

What has happened as a result is a generation of 'graduates' with worthless degrees. My cousin has an 'honours degree in fashion branding', she paid no tuition fees or costs other than accommodation - she works in a call centre. She could work in the call centre without her Mickey Mouse degree, and she still has only a tenuous grasp of spelling & grammar.
Degrees should be for the academically talented so that they mean something, they shouldn't be a big free for all.

Labour devalued the worth of skilled tradesmen. By insisting that a degree level education was the be all and end all, they disenfranchised a generation of young people who had no interest or passion for academia; these people were written off at school as they didn't 'give good league table'.

Labour penalise those who better themselves - their houses, their level of seniority at work etc. By introducing tax credits they effectively supplemented the level of a person's wage until it was near as dammit the same as the higher seniority levels in the same workplace.
People stopped aspiring to promotion because with it came longer hours/increased responsibility with not much more remuneration.

Labour tied so many people to the state's apron strings, it has made it almost impossible for them to cut free.

Tony Blair and New Labour started the rot, the rest of them have carried it on.

claig · 10/05/2015 20:41

Gove has tried to increase standards. he took a lot of flak because results for the transitionary year dropped and grades dropped, but he did it for the future. It couldn't go on as it did, with examination boards running courses that sometimes indicated what questions or topics would appear on some of the papers. Education is too important for a Labour egalitarian "prizes for all" approach where grades spiralled ever upwards while employers claimed that interviewees were getting worse in English and maths.

But ultimately the difference between Tory and Labour is freedom. Anything that stifles freedom harms the incentive of people to progress and the empowerment of people. A group of Oxbridge graduates who have never had a job and have inherited the money they have, have no right to tell the people that they have to put their pensions in annuities or not.

An unfree world is a closed world where openness and ambition are curtailed. A compulsory voting system is not free. The current modernising Tory Party is not perfect, UKIP have more true Tory instincts of freedom, but the Tories are far better than the social planners from Hampstead in Labour.

Richard Littlejohn says we "dodged the bullet" in this election, but luckily we "dodged the real bullet" in 2010 when Labour were riding high, had the wind in their sails, thought they could banish boom and bust and go all out for their socialist paradise.

"Labour is creating a police state, says former spy chief

A former spy chief last night accused Labour of turning Britain into a 'police state' by cynically exploiting the public's fear of terrorism.

Dame Stella Rimington, the first female head of MI5, warned the Government was playing into the hands of extremists by eroding our civil liberties.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1147077/Labour-creating-police-state-says-spy-chief.html

MehsMum · 10/05/2015 20:37

lefter -than-thou
Arse.

MehsMum · 10/05/2015 20:34

Going back about four pages, (I came a bit late to this pity party):

How can you disagree with blacksunday's list? All of the following are in the Conservative manifesto:
....
attacks on immigrants
The Conservative manifesto promises controls on immigration; robust enforcement; a cap; and restricting benefits.
I really do NOT understand how 'controls on immigration' and 'a cap' are the same as 'attacks on immigrants'. This is a crowded island with a housing shortage. It's just this sort of daft rhetoric that makes me block my ears and wander off at family gatherings when the left-than-thou members start preaching at the benighted from the moral high ground.

I'm neither a Tory nor a UKIP voter, btw. I'm not terribly impressed at the result. But I detest being preached at.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 20:25

For me personally, I don't feel that I have experienced a lot of what you have just described. I also think that society itself - all of it, not just the govt - is responsible for how different things are perceived as good/bad. I think we have wider problems as a society than just poor government.

I not a labour voter or supporter. I think the labour govt followed by the recent Con/Lib coalition has run down and then savaged the education system. I wholeheartedly believe that the conservative manifesto policies on education will not help or improve matters. In fact a lot of the statements are so vague as to be meaningless anyway. This is probably true of each major party's manifestos though, tbf.

caroldecker · 10/05/2015 20:08

Well, the demonisation of the rich, being and acting working class being a badge of honour, 'bosses' being evil, but working for the State is the greatest thing you can do, private sector bad, public sector good etc.

claig · 10/05/2015 20:07

What got dumbed down?

Education -- Gove had to scrap some of teh mickey mouse questns and raise standards and pass marks and reintroduce rgour and get rid of coursework for lots of exams. And then there are some of the Labour MPs themselves - have you seen some of them? Keir Hardie would be turning in his grave! He'd vote UKIP if he was around today when he surveyed the Labour Party of today.

'How did they make people feel guilty for doing well '

Have you read the OP. It's full of Labour style guilt inducing manipulation aimed at trying to stop people voting for aspiration and to vote for Oxbridge millionaires in Hampstead homes, trust funds in Liechenstein and tax-efficient inherited homes, who want to tax the squeezed middle who dare to stick their head above the parapet.

'what policies cause the stifling of aspiration?'

Anything that kills incentive and stifles initiative.

"SPY in the sky cameras could be used to slap higher council tax bills on householders who make home improvements.

Tax inspectors have looked into using satellite and aerial photographs to spot extensions, conservatories and other improvements, Whitehall officials confirmed last night.

The idea has brought a furious response from human rights campaigners.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: 'It's ludicrous. It's not only a waste of resources, it's a shockingly disproportionate interference with people's privacy.

'It seems now that an Englishman's home is no longer his castle if he puts a conservatory on it.'

The technology has been explored as part of Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott's plans to increase council tax bills for those who have extended or made improvements to their homes.

Labour wants to draw up a massive computer database on the value of millions of homes. The information would be used to review the council tax band of every home in the country - the first revaluation since 1991.

Under current rules, council tax bills are not affected by improvements made to a property. But ministers believe those who have overhauled or extended their homes should face bigger bills. Even having an attractive view could mean having to pay more.

The suggestion to use satellite cameras appears in a document from the Valuation Office Agency, which is responsible for overseeing the revaluation. Its booklet entitled the Mass Appraisal of Real Property says: 'Aerial photographs are another way to spot new construction.

'Comparison of property records against aerial photographs can identify unreported improvements. Using current technology, computers can even compare aerial photographs of the same area at different times and highlight new improvements, for example a new garage or pool.

'It may be feasible to determine the type of structure and approximate square footage from the photographs.'

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1595711/The-new-council-tax-spy-in-the-sky.html

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:51

What sorts of things got dumbed down? How did they make people feel guilty for doing well - can you give examples of this?

I guess taxation is considered a penalty for doing well, but what policies cause the stifling of aspiration?

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 19:48

Labour basically tied people to the tax credit system though. Confusing and difficult to understand. A lot of people I know claim it and would be worse off if they did more hours so basically tying people into often poorly paid, zero / 16 hour contracts.

claig · 10/05/2015 19:40

'How did labour crush the idea that anyone from any background could progress and achieve what they want?'

By dumbing down, making people feel guilty for doing well, penalising them and stifling aspiration. That is why every Blairite and their dog is now on TV saying Labour's mistake was that they didn't appeal to aspiration and the wish of the people for a better life. They promise us they will now. But we don't believe them. We know they call anyone with aspiration "Tory scum".

Horsemadbird · 10/05/2015 19:33

Wonderful post esmum. You describe nt DH's childhood.
Guess what? id drove him. He 's now a very succesful company director and we have a fantastic lifestyle. But he's worked for it soooo hard for over 20 years.

Poverty gave him hunger that was nothing to do with food.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:28

How did labour crush the idea that anyone from any background could progress and achieve what they want? By encouraging reliance on benefits and therefore destroying a work ethic?

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 19:22

What is poverty?

How I grew up wasn't poverty - poverty means something different to different people I think.

Poverty isn't having no tv or internet, having no phone or holidays - all those things are not life's essentials. I think that sometimes some people lose sight if what is 'essential' compared to what is 'desirable'.

claig · 10/05/2015 19:16

'Are you saying that a period of poverty for large numbers of people in the UK will be a good thing, as it will increase people's sense of hope and optimism?'

I don't think she is saying that. That is why she didn't vote Labour and voted Tory instead.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 19:11

Are you saying that a period of poverty for large numbers of people in the UK will be a good thing, as it will increase people's sense of hope and optimism?

MozzchopsThirty · 10/05/2015 19:07

It is ridiculous!!!!

I'm a single parent, work for the NHS and voted Tory Smile

bananaramadramallama · 10/05/2015 19:06

YY cherries I feel the same - I always believed I could do or be anything, if I tried hard enough.

I'm old enough now to realise that luck is a huge factor too, but still have the pragmatic attitude and iron will that was fostered in us from a young age.

Cherriesandapples · 10/05/2015 18:49

Growing up poor under Thatcher made me personally feel that I could do or be anything I wanted to be. That sense of you can come from a poor background but be anything you want to be was totally crushed under Labour and has yet to come back under conservatives. I would like to see more of that ethos under this new government.

SnowBells · 10/05/2015 18:31

One friend of mine who voted Tory actually came from a deprived background but benefitted from scholarships available under the Tory government decades ago - scholarships that Labour got rid of (I guess because of denial), and hence make it more difficult for intelligent people with her background to better themselves.

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Elasticelizabeth · 10/05/2015 18:24

This post is so OTT, I didn't vote conservative but no lots of people who did including my friends in housing association properties and those on benefits. This idea that only the rich vote Tory is ridiculous.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/05/2015 18:22

That's good to know fiveacres, as the way your post was written made it seem like you were.

fiveacres · 10/05/2015 18:19

Esmum - very moving post. Thank you for sharing.

Flowers

Rest assured, I was not 'laughing at people dying.' It was the way the post was phrased that made me laugh. Because she is right: people who are unwell do die, and that is sad but it is not the government strangling them!

claig · 10/05/2015 18:16

The progressives are panicking and that is why they insult Tory voters, want compulsory voting and voting at age 16 and try to make Tory voters feel guilty to sway their future vote.

claig · 10/05/2015 18:14

Frstt time in over 100 years and after the biggest recession in nearly 100 years. Eddie George, former Bank of England chief, said that whoever won the election in 2010 would be out of power for a generatin after that.

The Conservative victory is amazing and the opposition Labour's collapse is astounding after such a recession.

We have a completely new political landscape with the SNP and now UKIP challenging the old status quo. We may even be granted PR and then it will be anyone's game.

caroldecker · 10/05/2015 18:02

can't believe Consrvative vote share increased 1% on 2010, first time by an incumbent in over 100 years.

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