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An open letter to everyone who voted Conservative

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blacksunday · 10/05/2015 07:19

To everyone who voted conservative yesterday,

I hope you’re happy. Actually that’s a lie, I really don’t. But before you sit smugly down and give yourself a big pat on the back I’d like to ask you a few questions.

Do you think you haven’t benefitted from the system you are currently trying to break down? As a child, did you ever go to hospital? Have you had an education? Did you ever use a library? Have you ever been on a bus? If so, you have benefited from a system which subsidises facilities with taxes. And now you have, you are willing to take it away from everyone after you. Correct me if I’m wrong but that doesn’t seem very fair. You cannot have socialism and a support system when you need it but then be unwilling to support it for other people.

Now if you are someone who has used the private sector more than public services then I also want to know a few things. If you went to private school, or used private medical care as a child, did you pay for it yourself? Now I’m not asking if your parents paid for it, but you personally. I’m guessing the answer is no. So can you genuinely say you worked hard to get these privileges? No baby earns the right to an education. No child works hard to be born into a particular family who can afford healthcare. So why do you think one person is more deserving than another? If you value working hard and getting on how can you see this as fair? Do you really want to live in a world where children are deemed more worthy of education and healthcare based on what family they come from?

If you are someone who uses a lot of private, who are you? Are you one of the 1% who are currently getting richer? If so, are you ok with the fact that your benefit is someone else’s misery, someone’s poverty, someone’s lack of care? Are you ok with the fact that while you got a pay rise 900,000 people had to go to food banks because they literally didn’t have enough money to feed themselves to survive? Do you really believe that you work harder than these people?

If you aren’t one of these few people benefitting from this system then why have you voted for it? Conservatives use rhetoric of working hard and fairness but this is simply not the reality. If you start life without a lot, to get out of that is hard. “Success” stories are pinned up to show that if you work hard you get somewhere. But they are stories because they are anomalies. To come from a background of little education or money and to get a career you want is not the common way, and you can’t do it without a benefit system. We do not live in a system where if you work hard you get somewhere, the system the conservatives are creating means that if you start off well off you stay that way. Because someone who goes to a private school with tiny class sizes and one on one help does not have to work as hard as someone at an underachieving state school with over worked underpaid staff and huge classes. They just don’t.

Now if you are either one of these types of people you have to question whether you really do believe in what you have voted for. Because in voting conservative you are saying you are happy with the last 5 years. You are endorsing food banks. You are endorsing cutting care for the elderly and the mentally ill. You are endorsing a party where over half the MPs voted against gay marriage. You are saying yes to the NHS being privatised. You are saying you are happy with people being put off education based not on ability or passion but by money. You are saying yes to victimising the poor and disabled and scapegoating people based on where they come from. You are saying that you are ok with the incredible inequality in our country today and you are saying you want more of it.

I do not wish poverty on anyone. It is a cruel and harsh life. But what I do wish for you is that you at least experience it. If not first hand, that you witness the harsh trapping reality that is poverty. The gruelling cycle that doesn’t allow a parent to feed their children. That doesn’t allow for parents to feed themselves. And that you see that this is people who are working. People with jobs. And if they aren’t I hope you see that a life on benefits is not the picnic people make it out to be. Nobody wants to be on benefits. Maybe if you see this you will see what you have voted for.

And if you are ok with all of this then you make me sick. I can’t put it any other way. I am so ashamed to come from a country where this is apparently what the majority think. That the majority of people are too selfish to accept any form of tax rise to support those in our society who need help makes me so incredibly sad. Truly you should be ashamed of yourself that you can so heartlessly put yourself first and not see the consequences. I hope that in the next 5 years you fully appreciate what you did yesterday. I hope you know what you have supported and I hope one day you feel guilty. Because I am scared of what the next 5 years will bring and you should be too.

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penisland · 22/07/2015 18:30

Crawl back under your rock with all the other Labour vermin.

ShellyBoobs · 30/06/2015 18:12

Get them out!!!

For the lads??

Consent2trix · 27/06/2015 18:19

Get them out!!!

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Redkite2015 · 21/05/2015 12:56

Too many assumptions. Andy Burnham may not be a good minister. Fool may be, but for last 5 years, he was not the Incharge of NHS.

The fact starring now is that Ealing Hospital's Maternity is closing; moving to already over load hospital with lower rating than Ealing's; Capacity issue and travel to other hospitals would mean increased risk to women and newborns.

Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 11:48

redkite .... you really DON'T want to compare Labour's record on the NHS, especially as Mr Burnham is running for leadership of the Labour Party.

Some people forget that Burnham was in charge for less than a year, in fact Labour had SIX ministers in 13-years, a worse turnover rate that the managers in the lower half of the Premier League - no wonder he left the NHS in such a mess with thousands of NHS beds less than in the late 1990's.

Citing one merger in the NHS hardly points to 'the whole' not being safe, any more than some named person in the midlands not getting their benefits, justifies the 20 million that did. Lame.

Redkite2015 · 21/05/2015 11:33

Ealing Hospital's Maternity Service being merged with Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow.

This is only the week 1 of Conservative majority.
Well done, Jeremy Hunt. NHS is safe [sic].

Isitmebut · 21/05/2015 10:04

Blacksunday .... re your blurts starting with "Your posts are dishonest, manipulative and disingenuous. You are selective with facts and have no respect for the truth."

Posters don't have to go further than the TITLES of your post to understand the problem is yours; they certainly don't need to get to your near pathological hatred of the Conservatives shown in most posts and constant references to "Tory scum" because in your delusion you see the 1970's as "the good old days", despite what history tells us.

Now like a true peddler of propaganda it is you you trying to silence me, how ideologically sick are you?

By all means 'greasemonkey me up', then add the the majority of the parliamentary Labour Party, who are saying similar things, around a month too late.

blacksunday · 20/05/2015 19:33

sdfs

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blacksunday · 20/05/2015 19:32

I've created a Greasemonkey script to hide Isitmebut's posts.

Greasemonkey is a Firefox Add-on which can be obtained here:

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/

I will post the script if anyone is interested. You can change the user to anyone you like (including me). In the future, I'll change it so you can hide several users.

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blacksunday · 20/05/2015 19:03

Isitmebut-

You're just making things up now. Sorry, I've had enough.

Your posts are dishonest, manipulative and disingenuous. You are selective with facts and have no respect for the truth.

Your sole purpose on this talkboard is to spread Tory propaganda for the Tory party, to put the Tories in the best possible light, and Labour in the worse possible light.

It doesn't matter who the person is, what they believe, or even the subject matter. All you do is use people's posts as a springboard to launch more bullshit.

So I'm not going to engage with your posts anymore. In fact, I'm going to use Greasemonkey to hide them.

Have fun talking to yourself.

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Isitmebut · 20/05/2015 13:17

Contd...

In fact, many of the things I have been saying on these boards re Labour’s wrong, deficit, debt, ant business, class divisive, lame manifesto etc etc etc, policies – that you called “Tory scum” or “Tory propaganda” before going MIA as within the links below of threads you began looking for a big headline – are NOW accepted by the Labour candidates, and people like you are now deemed red dinosaurs (by those future leaders) for your blinkered policy and Tory blame game, wanting a policy drift back to the 1970’s.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2346123-Im-not-devoid-of-morality-David-Cameron-tells-church-leaders-lol?pg=2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2353372-UK-inequality-rising-more-quickly-than-under-Thatcher-report

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2360296-Taxpayers-spend-11bn-to-top-up-low-wages-paid-by-UK-companies

Isitmebut · 20/05/2015 13:16

blacksundayso your ‘chosen subject’ was welfare/benefits in answer to my Labour “benefits culture” failing amongst others, to another poster somehow comparing the Blair/Brown administration to any Conservative one;

  • Where from 2003 Tax Credits to 6 million nearly overnight became 20 million and the bill in 2002/3 of £6 billion, got closer to £30 billion when Labour lost power – most of it on Child Tax Credit (not to be confused with Child Benefits) where those on the equivalent of £80k a year in 2003 could claim.

The fact was that under Labour ALL benefit/welfare spending became out of control, by any international measurement without any thought how this could be afforded when the first recession hit, never mind the worst in over 80-years which you have not only refused to acknowledge, but as a link in the post below shows, add it to your anti business crusade.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10574376/Graphic-Britain-outstrips-Europe-on-welfare-spending.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9963012/900000-choose-to-come-off-sickness-benefit-ahead-of-tests.html

As to supporting the poorest in society, listening to current future Labour leaders opinions, similar to the Conservatives, “throwing money as the poor ” based on the ‘life choices’ results New Labour achieved, may not be Labour’s future M.O. either.

More …..

blacksunday · 19/05/2015 20:21

I've done so many times, isitmebut. I've produced evidence to dispel the myths about the a 'benefit culture' and 'overly fat and expensive state' many times on these talkboards.

I don't go, 'MIA'. Either you think I do, because I have a working life and, unlike you, don't have the free time and money to spout Tory propaganda on Mumsnet all day, every day, or I'm ignoring your posts because it's the usual tedium of bullshit, misdirections, and half-truths.

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Isitmebut · 19/05/2015 16:38

Blacksunday .... dare me to produce the evidence on any one (or all), make my day - with the proviso that you don't do your usual and go M.I.A.

nowttodowithme · 19/05/2015 16:21

Yawn!

blacksunday · 19/05/2015 16:19

An overly fat and expensive State, a benefit culture, deficit government spending by choice, too much debt, too many taxes, can't get enough immigration, can't get the private sector to build enough homes to save their lives - in which decade were they Conservative ideological policies and failings?

Tory myths.

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Isitmebut · 19/05/2015 00:26

An overly fat and expensive State, a benefit culture, deficit government spending by choice, too much debt, too many taxes, can't get enough immigration, can't get the private sector to build enough homes to save their lives - in which decade were they Conservative ideological policies and failings?

Blair was the 1997 mouthpiece, but the UK was run by the cabinet of Scottish Mafia, headed by Brown.

TwartFaceBeetj · 18/05/2015 22:58

Haha that makes me laugh 13 years of lefty politics? not quite, Tony Blair was a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Even Michael Portello liked him and called him a Tory.

Isitmebut · 18/05/2015 16:17

Hardly, you don't even got ON my nerves as you gave me an excuse to 'vent' - showing you the full repertoire of leftie excuses when they find that they are defending the 13-years indefensible and need to exit, stage left, asap. lol.

Election · 18/05/2015 15:47

Have I touched a nerve there Smile SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Isitmebut · 18/05/2015 08:18

Erection ....Well that shows how ignorant you are, as there are more than enough links to the Guardian and Independent etc in my posts.

The whinges of the whinging left;

'Reads the DailyFail',
'Your post are too long (and too detailed on Labour's failures)'
'Don't use bold (to highlight Labour's failures)',
'Don't be shouty (but thanks for the excuse not to answer)'
'You're too bias (this board is a left wing mouthpiece with our mistruths)'
'We will be mean to you and you'll go away (no fecking chance)'

Election · 17/05/2015 23:01

sourdrawers well I can't take anybody seriously who links to the Daily facist Mail Smile

Isitmebut · 17/05/2015 18:36

Thats right, this was meant to be a Labour propaganda thread - thats gone horribly wrong as shows exactly why people DID vote Conservative. lol

The 'one-and-the same' side splitter is getting a bit lame, but as one after the other subject finds Labour's apologists having their rear ends handed to them on a platter - don't 'engage', just sulk, I'm used to it. lol

sourdrawers · 17/05/2015 11:31

Please everyone, don't engage with Claig and Isitme!!! Let's just enjoy their Tommy Cooper-esque split personality sketch.