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Labour getting things right, Tories getting things wrong: discuss!

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GibberingFlapdoodle · 18/04/2015 17:57

I liked these news stories about Labour pledging to end unpaid internships and stopping firms exploiting foreign workers and undermining the minimum wage (both from BBC).

Seems to be further evidence of Labour starting to support working class people over the rich again at long last. Meanwhile the Tories have put out that ridiculous desperate idea about increasing the hated right-to-buy of what little social housing remains (I won't link it as there've been threads already.

I never understood why so many people think Cameron is wonderful while Milliband is terrible. His (Cameron's) past remarks revealing his complete ignorance of how an economy runs on debt, his pathetic attempts to please the media at the time of the floods last winter, more recently his talk of putting open back doors in all IT encryption (including your online shopping and banking) reveal an incompetent fool who has not got a clue how to run anything or handle ordinary people. Presumably, from what people have told me, he smiles nicely.

Any comments?

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GibberingFlapdoodle · 22/04/2015 12:54

Having said that to Shelly I would hereby like to add the words 'appear to' between " (including your shopping and banking) " and "reveal" in my op... Blush

Gnightjimbob, I see very little difference between New Labour and Tories of any time, they are/ were all neo-liberalist capitalists and therefore all thought that exploitation and vast inequality is an essential part of life. I'm interested in whether New Labour have changed any. I know the Tories haven't.

i can get really annoyed about New Labour because in their conversion they betrayed the poor, confused everyone, muddied all waters, and bear a large responsibility for destroying all faith in politics and politicians I think.

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Gnightjimbob · 22/04/2015 12:44

I would just say LABOUR would not be as cruel to poor people as Camerons Tories have been. (it has at times seemed like cruelty for
cruelties sake.. )

I'd argue that trapping thousands on benefits, getting rid of the 10p tax rate, bankrupting the country and destroying the economy , upping unemployment and starting an illegal war are all pretty cruel acts towards poor people but maybe I just see things differently, eh?

worldgonecrazy · 22/04/2015 12:28

Firms have been undermining the minimum wage since it was brought in. Lots of low paid workers "employed" by foreign agencies and therefore not subject to minimum wage laws. Why didn't Labour do anything about it last time they were in power?

fortyfide · 22/04/2015 12:26

it was Tory Home Sec Teresa May, who revived the the "Nasty Tory party" quote. If she repeats it during the election campaign Cameron would be temted to sack her

fortyfide · 22/04/2015 12:21

I would just say LABOUR would not be as cruel to poor people as Camerons Tories have been. (it has at times seemed like cruelty for
cruelties sake.. )

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GibberingFlapdoodle · 22/04/2015 12:16

I see 38 degrees have sent something round concerning the amount of media influence in this campaign.

Shelly, learn how to debate ideas without insults. No one knows everything.

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Sansarya · 22/04/2015 06:56

I thought "Red Ed" was coined by the Daily Mail?

LumpySpacedPrincess · 22/04/2015 06:54

Aw shelley no need to get nasty! #millifand Smile

ShellyBoobs · 21/04/2015 22:51

Miliband is a clueless chump.

I suppose he's well suited to the voters he's targeting, though.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 19/04/2015 18:47

I agree Gibbering but will still vote for them. It's a 3 horse race round my parts and one of the horses is Farage.

HappydaysArehere · 19/04/2015 16:13

Milliband was known as "Red Ed". Like their father their thinking was developed along left ideas.

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GibberingFlapdoodle · 19/04/2015 12:37

I've frequently heard that Cameron is supposed to be oh-so-charismatic, which I translate as 'smiling nicely'.... that isn't just the written word, it's from tv appearances and so on. Though appearances are in the eye of the beholder and to me increasingly he just looks like an idiotically grinnijg schoolboy playing pranks with peoples' lives... I cold say that of other tories too, IDS.

What do people think of this apparent Labour drift back to the left? Is it merely an insincere polish? I can't quite decide. They still have far too many of the same tory attitudes for my liking, not enough joined-up thinking. They seem sincere when they pick up individual problems though.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 19/04/2015 12:06

Labour stood up to Murdoch and Murdoch rules the press. He generally decides who we get as a prime minister.

It would be nice if this election was different.

HappydaysArehere · 19/04/2015 10:09

The answer is the Tory press. Every headline, every photograph carefully orchestrated to fulfill a purpose - that to promote their political outcome. Their power lies in their belief that the public believe in the printed word and trust that many voters will only refer to the drip, drip effect rather than the underlying facts.

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GibberingFlapdoodle · 18/04/2015 17:58

Guess this is two threads in one!

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