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Help - tempted to vote Tory, against my long held values! Convince me otherwise!

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Flingmoo · 18/03/2015 16:15

Right, excuse my poor understanding of politics, I'm just after some friendly advice.

I'm from a working class family who would rather die than vote Tory. I've done well in life and now have a much better career than my parents ever had, but still I've always been a bit of a Guardian reading lefty who also hated the Tories. I sort of used to be a Lib Dem, but since the big tuition fees betrayal I've been flitting between Greens and Labour.

However I am getting this horrible niggling feeling that perhaps the Tories have done a half decent job... Unemployment down, taxes down, hopefully reducing inheritance tax, "bedroom tax", extended help to buy, all good stuff IMHO.

But theres a lot of stuff I don't agree with:

  • Not impressed at the way the NHS is going
  • Not happy about sale of Royal Mail
  • Corporate tax dodgers not dealt with
  • David Cameron is a slimy twat
Er, thought there was more but can't think of any other points.

Anyway, please convince me to vote for a different party. I'm rather fond of the Greens but isnt it a wasted vote? Miliband seems a bit limp. Lib Dems not to be trusted anymore after Cleggs big fat porky pies last time. UKIP is a massive no no for me and I'd happily punch Farage in the face if I were allowed to... So who do I vote for?

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Postexpatlimbo · 21/03/2015 21:48

Whats yr MP like, OP? Amd the other candidates?

Nhs has been half demolished, this process cost an absolute fortune and left a semoralised staff in disarray. Angry cameron totally wrong on Europe, in my book. And the free schools wank malarky, what is that reallym???!
But he is rightly overhauling the benefits system, employment rate seems improved. And he really isnt a slimy twat. Privileged, yes, but he knows and appreciates that. He is also a decent man with a stellar education and intellect. Which helps as PM. Find Labour hardly any different. Was a natural Lib Dem, but what now Sad?

Hannahouse · 21/03/2015 21:40

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caroldecker · 21/03/2015 20:39

2.5 million new jobs, record employment

specifically: Between 2010 and 2013, the number of people employed in Yorkshire increased by 76,400 - while over the same period, employment in France increased by 66,000, data from Eurostat show.

TheCrowFromBelow · 21/03/2015 18:53

sales job.

TheCrowFromBelow · 21/03/2015 18:52

George Osborne did a fabulous sakes job with his budget speech.
It sounded great, with all the box ticking eg: North mentioned? Check: quip about The great county of Yorkshire's employment level rising more than France's.
Well there was an unemployment rise in France, so if it fell in Yorkshire even by one person it was greater.
Look past the rhetoric.
Look at the facts, not just the statistics they want you to see.
Pp have posted some good links.

OhMrGove · 21/03/2015 18:47

Laurie - I worked in gov ( political not civil service ) from 2009-2013 then journalism. This is my 2 cents but I know by no means accurate.

ATOS are a scandal. Atos have made bloody awful decisions for a long time that have damaged lives but also heavily cost taxpayers via appeals etc.
However, you cannot blame Tories for ATOS. They hold the contract and did under Labour.

No one will go to jail over this.

OhMrGove · 21/03/2015 18:43

Austerity for purely ideological reasons?

Oh FFS. Really...?!

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 21/03/2015 11:34

Well for a start you might reexamine the idea that the Tories have done a good job on the economy. First of all they destroyed consumer confidence by telling people the UK was just like Greece (ludicrous), then they took an economy that was growing in 2010 and plunged it back into recession by imposing austerity measures for purely ideological reasons (and which they later abandoned). They have failed to eradicate the deficit as they claimed they would and have doubled the national debt while failing to address massive structural problems in our economy (our massive current account deficit, for example). Suggest you read Simon Wren-Lewis on 'mediamacro' or Fraser Nelson in the Spectator (hardly a lefty) on this. And as for the economic absurdity that is Help To Buy Votes...

LaurieFairyCake · 21/03/2015 11:28

there are no policies that lead directly to the deaths of vulnerable people

  1. Quotas in the office to impose sanctions - this is widely reported. People are being sanctioned for going to job interviews, no money for 2 weeks.
  1. Deliberate policy to not tell people about emergency payments (used to be crisis loans) when being sanctioned or there's a delay to the start of benefits.
  1. Atos have quotas to get people off benefits and are finding terminally ill and severely disabled fit to work.

The above policies result in starvation, death and most importantly, suicide.

The government will be found at fault in this. They will be sued. There will be enquiries where they're found to be breaching human rights legislation.

BackCrackAndNappySack · 21/03/2015 10:59

There are no policies that lead DIRECTLY to the deaths of vulnerable people. That you prefer to exaggerate wildly and rely on a handful of anecdotes as 'proof' and that you use the sort of highly emotive language that is usually reserved for tabloid hysteria and scaremongering is not something I can have any respect for.

caroldecker · 21/03/2015 10:56

If we are going down this route, what about the lives destroyed by the Labour party, encouraging people to take no responsibility for thier own lives or family?

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 21/03/2015 10:50

BackCrack is there a preferred, non-histrionic form of language you'd like us to use instead to refer to government policies which lead directly to the deaths of vulnerable people?

LaurieFairyCake · 21/03/2015 10:48

Also not a Labour voter Backcrack

It's a perfectly reasonable political argument to look at Tory policies that are actually killing people

Bizarre that you don't think so
Hmm

Rather we glossed over it?

It's not the left wing press reporting it, these are not inaccurate stories.

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 10:47

Calum’s List

Welfare Reform Deaths – Memorial Page

calumslist.org/calums-list/

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 10:45

Benefit cuts are already being blamed for the deaths of many vulnerable people, but there could be 60 more that we never hear about

The Government are still weighing up whether their reviews into benefits-related deaths are in the "public interest"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/government-benefit-cuts-are-already-being--blamed-for-the-deaths-of-three-vulnerable-people-and-there-may-be-60-more-9942735.html

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 10:44

I'm not a Labour voter. I'm just a human being with a conscience.

And, unfortunately, it's not nonsense. The coalition cuts have killed many people.

BackCrackAndNappySack · 21/03/2015 10:28

What do you call a party whose policies systematically kill people?

Tories are psychopaths

The Tories are killing people and I'm not using euphemistic or inflammatory language.

Oh for crying out loud. You see, this is why people like me can't take Labour voters seriously. Half of you seem to think that outlandish, histrionic nonsense like that passes for a proper political argument.

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 10:19

What do you call a party whose policies systematically kill people, ajandjjmum?

ajandjjmum · 21/03/2015 09:45

I had heard that right wing voters were less intelligent so, my view, they just follow blindly. Let's have a well reasoned argument please. ^^

The Tories are psychopaths. ^^

Such well reasoned, intelligent arguments!! Grin

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 09:16

The Tories are psychopaths.

blacksunday · 21/03/2015 09:16

Terminally ill face being forced to do work experience or lose their benefits

Cancer patients who have more than six months to live could have to do work experience or see their payments slashed

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terminally-ill-face-being-forced-690027#ICID=sharebar_facebook

LaurieFairyCake · 20/03/2015 10:01

The Tories are killing people and I'm not using euphemistic or inflammatory language.

There are people being assessed as fit for work who are terminally ill, whose deaths are then hastened by actually starving to death in cold houses as they've had their money cut off.

So they're dying cold and hungry but what does it matter as they were dying anyway Hmm

Similar thing has happened in a few cases where people with severe disabilities have been assessed as fit for work. A man who had autism died of malnutrition from eating cardboard boxes as his benefits were cancelled.

You do not have to dig deep to find these stories and you certainly don't have to look in left wing press to find them.

Hannahouse · 20/03/2015 09:53

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beatricequimby · 19/03/2015 21:50

If you are a Guardian reader, search their website for articles about foodbanks and cuts to services for children with disabilities eg respite care. Despite the rhetoric of 'We are all in it together' all the evidence shows that it is the poorest who have lost the highest proportion of income since the Coalition cuts began. Is this the type of society you want. Personally I think overly 'strong leader' tend to make bad decisions. Poll tax, war in Iraq. So I would prefer Ed Milliband to that.

Viviennemary · 19/03/2015 21:39

But Labour has more or less said they won't be reversing any of the changes to the welfare bill theTories brought in. They can't. It would be too expensive. So what are they going to do. Nobody seems to be quite saying. Except everybody will be better off under Labour. I think Miliband as PM would be a total disaster. He just isn't up to it IMHO. If Labour had a half decent strong leader I might consider voting for them but certainly not with Miliband at the helm crashing towards the rocks.

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