The Green Party

'Wasn't that long ago that most people though climate change was bonkers and the solutions unrealistic. Still are people like that.'

Their numbers are increasing.

The main parties are bonkers, but the Greens are more so.

There's only one party that speaks common sense. No need to name them, everybody knows who they are.

Of course, they could run the country as successfully as they run Brighton - which is a bally mess

From the manifesto - cloud cookoo land (and mainly illegal under EU law):

The NMA will be mandated by law to manage the stock of national currency so that it is sufficient to support full employment, while avoiding general inflation in prices, and taking into account the development of local currencies

A Green government would work in Europe and globally to re-establish controls on international capital movements, in order to restore financial stability and regain control over the macro- economy.

Corporation Tax will continue to be levied on the net profits earned by companies. These will be banded, with higher rates payable by larger companies in order to encourage smaller businesses.

Their manifesto is bonkers and unrealistic!

Free care of the elderly. What for everyone? Wales has capped care costs at home, no more than £60 per week and it is unaffordable for the local councils!

I've been put off the greens for exactly the same reason, I won't support a party that wants to legalise pimping.

I've followed numerous discussions in numerous arena, and it's often said how democratic the greens are, how why not try changing their view etc. Yet any green I've heard speak about their policies does the same dismissive sweeping aside I see on this thread too. I initially thought it was just an anomaly, I mean the greens they're gonna be pretty right on, listening, understanding of issues etc., surely. But no, every time it's the same dismissive attitude which makes me think there really is something more rotten going on here.

Was just reading the breast feeding policy too, which also seems muddled. Breast feeding is to be normalised, great. And private areas are going to be created for women to breast feed in. Eh? How is that normalising? That's pretty similar to Nigel farage telling us to sit in a corner.

You do know what gas lighting is I assume?

Yes, it's what you are trying to do to me.

Annie seems very angry
...her unreasonable hostility
...her obsession

Jesus, you can't even be original in your insults. You do know that painting women who raise issues of women's rights as "angry", "hostile" and "obsessive" is the oldest anti-feminist trick in the book, right?

I'm going to hide this thread. I have been asking questions and raising issues because I was interested in the Greens and they were very high on my list of policies and people I liked. Some of the women who are the public face of the Greens are excellent. But if you two are typical examples of Green party activists - can't countenance any sort of reasonable discussion of your policies without assuming hostile intent - then good god, I will stay away. You've created what you have described - I am now hostile to what you two stand for. Well done, you prime pair of political geniuses.

I made it abundantly clear that your concerns are perfectly valid and had no problem at you expressing them,

You have no problem with us expressing views at all, no. So much that you turned up on a thread where you contributed nothing positive, to tell off a group of women discussing policy amongst themselves. You have no problem with us expressing views, except you are going to dismiss us as "shouty", because we have expressed them, and because we aren't being good little girls and discussing what you, oh mighty man, decide we ought to prioritise.

Who, exactly is trying to silence who, here, VoyageofDad?

And my "world view" includes seeing women as people who have every right to discuss policies as to how it affects them. If that isn't in the Green's world view, then that's all I need to know.

Well done you! Gold star political campaigning there!

Ah, yes, a "little clique". Describing women talking about politics as "shouty". (I'm kind of impressed you refrained from "shrill", but perhaps you will manage it yet.) Perhaps we'd be better off keeping quiet, eh? You aren't changing my opinion of you or your politics at all, VoyageofDad.

You don't get it - women are concerned about attitudes like your because they want to like the Green Party. I wouldn't ever start a "Tories and prostitution" thread because I won't ever consider voting Tory, so their views on prostitution won't affect the way I vote.

The environment is a big issue for me, too. So are my rights to be seen as a person.

I'm sure you will do very well, eileenrose, if this is your technique on the doorstep.

I'm out.

The (Scottish) Green party are good, and I am a member. However, I will not be voting for them in the coming election.

There is no proportional representation in Westminster, and the Greens do not have a large enough supporter base to win m/any seats under FPTP. In Scotland I have the luxury of voting for a likely to be successful left of centre party instead. Unfortunately rUK do not have this option so a Green vote is likely to be little more than a protest vote.

Hopefully, an influx of SNP MPs will be so abhorrent to WM that they change the voting system to a proportional one.

Well, the Green party might, if it engaged properly with the people most likely to support it but who currently don't.

I don't think I'm going to get very far with you as you don't seem to understand political campaigning, or that it's usually not a good idea to imply that undecideds are not open-minded. That's not the way to get people on board.

If you genuinely want to get undecideds who are broadly on your side to vote Green, eileenrose, it might go better if you engage with their concerns rather than just ignore them and repeat rote political slogans.

They're a joke party. I laugh at them and anybody crazy enough to vote for them.

Welp, I've just read the Greens policy on abortion (led there by a reference in a Sarah Ditum article). It's in here: policy.greenparty.org.uk/he.html

It would not have occurred to me to think that the Greens, of all people, could come up with a confused and muddled policy on abortion, but they seem to have managed it.

There's some good stuff in there - working towards more widespread provision even when your own GP is anti-choice, etc, but it's all very half-hearted. The worst of it, though is that there is no mention of a woman's right to choose, and the policy section leads with "many people's moral discomfort" with abortion.

As I learned to say here - that really doesn't work for me.

And I agree with you re Natalie Bennet and Caroline Lucas - and other brilliant Green women I've come across, too. That's why I've found it so baffling!

I've already mentioned the places I've come across misogyny from Green men, eileenrose - I already have seen it for myself, and you could see it too, if you looked at the social media output of some prominent Green men.