The Green Party

Intrigued how we are a "group". I am a MNetter, a woman and a feminist. Those are pretty big "groups".

There was no co-ordinated or pre meditated plan, just a some women in the same place with thr same questions and concerns. If people turn up on other political threads and talk about the same issue (housing for example) are they a "group"?

Maybe it should be a pretty clear message that actually a disparate collection of women all have the same concerns.

You know they're different people, right? I raised the question with Natalie and had it answered. I asked one more follow up that was also answered. I have also posted here once. I don't particularly post on FWR, I'm not part of any group, just a woman who joined in discussions about the greens and prostitution as it's something that matters to me, like lots of other women. Just because several women share a viewpoint about something that matters to them and affects them doesn't turn them into some monolith. It's so patronising that you can't see this. And is so cementing the exact point I made way way back about the way greens seem to just dismiss these exact discussions.

Voyage. You really have bored me now. Go away.

' their determination to elbow all other concerns and voices out of the way irks'

But they didn't elbow other concerns out of the way or tell anyone else not to post about what they wanted to, they just stated their views. They didn't tell others what to do, you did.

You are absoluteright rocket74.

The people are sick of being told what to do by middle class progressives of all the Establishment parties. It is about quality of life and serving us the public. Let's have local referenda on parking fees, turning our streetlights of after midnight, telling us whether we can smoke in parks or not and all the rest so that these luvvies can't restrict the rights of orinary people anymore.

There is a people's revolution going on. Let's win.

I live in an area with a green council. I know it's small fry in the big scheme but their constant hoiking of parking charges in nice areas you would want to take the family has made them only only accessible to the rich. We can no longer afford to park at the beach or the parks regularly. Bus fares are high and our son has been refused a blue badge as his autism means he chooses to not walk I won't vote for them again. And ridiculous 20mphzones everywhere including where it's two lanes wides and houses are setback tenmetres from the roads.

If the People's Army was that defensive and coudn't face criticism, then they wouldn't now be Britain's third most popular party according to the polls.

We are taking on the entire Establishment, every oleaginous oaf from Oxbridge, every privileged progressive from Primrose Hill, every lying luvvie in the land, every perfidious privileged PPE that the Establishment can hire, we are beating them to the wire.

And do we get inflamed? Of course we don't. We just beat them at their game. We take them on and take them down. Our attitude is "let everyone of their wrong'uns take us on, we'll put them back in the box where they belong".

Annie said

"What was really interesting in the webchat thread was that a Green activist man came on and told us all off for bothering about policies that affect women, when we should be focusing on more important things. It really did confirm a lot of my fears about the men in the party."

She probably assumed you were an activist because of your support for the Greens and your wish to change that topic of discussion onto other green issues. You wanted to determine the ciurse of the conversation and steer it away from that issue.To do that all you have todo is to post a different opinion about another topic, there is no need to tell others what they can post about. Other posters will reply to the topics that are of interest to them.

You said

'Utter bollocks Annie, I'm not a Green activist I just happen to vote for them and believe in their rational concerning the environment.

What I did take issue with was a group of shouty FWR regulars telling everyone who was going to vote Green or was in the Green Party that they were defenders of misogynists who thought women were lesser humans.

The environment is a big issue for me. Seeing a little clique do their upmost to trash the Greens was somewhat inflaming.'

You were inflamed because you didn't like the way the conversation was going. But so what? Everyone is equal and everyone is free to decide what they feel strongly about. No one was trashing the Greens, as most posters agreed with their policies, apart from that one policy.

You have to get used to some Green policies being challenged just as Natalie was challenged on LBC when she had her "brain fade". If the Green party's policy are strong enough then they will be able to take the challenge. You being inflaed and trying to steer the subject away was a bit like Jenny Jones trying to tell the press and Natalie what they could talk about at the post "brain fade" conference. It is too defensive.

In the past I have voted for the Lib Dems, Labour and the SNP. I would consider voting for the Greens or tactically for the Conservatives to prevent UKIP gaining seats in the General Election. The main reasons why are;

1. Britain has been a multi-cultural society ever since the Celts came over here from Europe and there is no place for direct or indirect racism or other prejudices in our society. UKIPs rhetoric and policies appeal to those on the far-right who want to stir up hatred and the refusal to challenge prejudices is what allows movements such as Nazism to take hold and poison entire populations.

2. Leaving the EU would be a disaster. Britain would become an isolated state stripped of influence in Europe. We would then be increasingly ignored by the by the US and organisations such as NATO and the UN. 52% of our total trade in goods and services is with the EU and much of that and the 3.5m related jobs would go. In the modern world co-operation with other countries is required on issues such as global warming and terrorism.

'It's an issue of others not feeling bullied or intimidated.'

But ArcheryAnnie has left the thread because she felt bullied by you. Were you bullied by her mentioning the Green policy on prostitution?

What are you so afraid of by mention of one policy, haven't the Greens got other strong policies that will win votes? If people have doubts about the Greens over their prostitution policy, that is ther entitlement.

'UKIP are riddled with sexist racist bigots'

There have been one or two and the Establishment media has searched for them far and wide, Lord knows they have.

'It's only common sense if you're a biggot who's on the right of the Tories'

Then why are they the main opposition to labour in many Northern seats like Dudley North now.

'Labour candidate: we face 'existential threat' from Ukip in south '

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/labour-candidate-existential-threat-ukip-south-working-class

And it is not just the labour Oxbridge half of the Establishment that gaces an existential crisis from UKIP, it is the entire Establishment that faces an existential crisis from the People's Army.

As the leader of the People's Army said

'‘I’m taking on the establishment, and they hate me for it’
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And we are challenging the establishment — we are challenging their very thought; we are challenging the very basis upon which they exist and operate."

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/im-taking-on-the-establishment-and-they-hate-me-for-it/16758#.VQ7g9qJyaic

The leader of the People's Army mocks the Establishment, he mocks their Philanthropists of the Year, Decade and Century. He even has the courage to mock their polar bear scare, which is tantamount to blaspemy in their climate cooked book.

"Take climate change. What politician these days would admit to laughing about the polar bears? Farage would"

That is why the Establishment are terrified of UKIP because they are terrified of the truth. "Brain fades" and green policies don't scare them but the truth does.

'You're on a train. There area group of people talking loudly about issues they care about. You walk over and ask them to keep it down because nobody else is able to talk over the noise. And their response is that you're against everything they're discussing and are just a nasty man who wants women back in the kitchen.'

They would probably tell you to mind your own business. You are not the moderator, you're not in charge, you don't determine the parameters oof the discussion, everyone can say what they like. Chill out, sit back down in your train seat, have your say and enjoy the ride.

"The Club of Rome is a global think tank that deals with a variety of international political issues. Founded in 1968 at Accademia dei Lincei in Rome, Italy, the Club of Rome describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former heads of state, UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists and business leaders from around the globe.[1] It raised considerable public attention in 1972 with its report The Limits to Growth. The club states that its mission is "to act as a global catalyst for change through the identification and analysis of the crucial problems facing humanity and the communication of such problems to the most important public and private decision makers as well as to the general public"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

They sound like they really care - the great and the good. They sound almost as good as a charidee. And they are not even Oxbridge only.

"The Club of Rome raised considerable public attention with its report Limits to Growth, which has sold 12 million copies in more than 30 translations, making it the best-selling environmental book in world history"#

"In 1991, the Club published The First Global Revolution.[7] It analyses the problems of humanity, calling these collectively or in essence the 'problematique'. It notes (laments) that, historically, social or political unity has commonly been motivated by enemies in common: "The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself - when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing."[8] "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised."[8] "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself "

They are good people, very good people, probably charidable people too, philantropic types, but I doubt that they are as philanthropic as the Philanthropist of the Year, Tony Blair.

"Tony Blair launches The Climate Group's Clean Revolution campaign at Climate Week NYC

During the Opening Ceremony of Climate Week NYC, Tony Blair, The Climate Group's International Leadership Council Chair, helped launch the Clean Revolution campaign."

We had lies over weapons of mass destruction and we had dodgy dossiers. Do you think that the real elite are above lying to get their climate way, above exaggeration and scare tactics?

But now theres a People's Party called UKIP and they don't believe that

The real enemy then is humanity itself

because they are the People's Party, on the People's side. That is why the Establishmentand the great and the good are desperate to keep their rickety old cliimate chicanery charabanc on the road.

Sorry wrong link. This is the link about the Dudley North candidate

www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/22/afzal-amin-suspended-by-conservatives-in-dudley-north/

"The Conservative candidate trying to become an MP for a battleground Black Country seat has tonight been suspended by his party, accused of trying to work with the far-right English Defence League."
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The Dudley North seat is the most marginal in the Black Country. It is held by Labour's Ian Austin with a majority of just 649 votes. Opinion polls have suggested UKIP is the main opposition."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/13/climate-change-policy-britain-at-risk-ed-davey-environment-secretary

It is UKIP that is the main opposition and will end up one day in charge. The entire Establishment and Oxbridge class understand that and that is why there is sheer panic in their ranks. Their whole game will be over, their whole consensus will be up. UKIP will scrap the Climate Change Act immeditely.

UKIP will give people proportional representation and local referenda and then the billionaires and their puppets will never again be able to fool the people.

Have you missed Natalie Bennett's "brain fades"?

I am beginning to wonder if she does it on purpose to be honest, it is so bad.

The Greens can promise the moon because they will never hold the reins of power. UKIP are on approx 16% and the entire Establishment and all its parties and media and think tanks are petrified of it because it represents the people and hey all know that in the future UKIP will hold the reins of power.

No one in the Establishment and in Oxbridge is scared of the Greens, because they all agree with most of what they say.