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The Cult Of Farage - Hero's Welcome In the US

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claig · 27/02/2015 13:26

They love him in the States just like we do here!

"Nigel Farage was among his fans in the US.

"He's awesome and cool," 20-year-old Alain Robert told Sky News.

Political writer Randy Foreman was even more gushing saying the UKIP leader had all the appeal of James Bond.

"He's absolutely a fantastic politician. We just don't have them here like that in the United States."

news.sky.com/story/1435132/the-cult-of-farage-heros-welcome-in-us

We don't have 'em like that here, apart from the legend that is Farage

"Mr Farage's YouTube videos berating European bureaucrats and taking on the might of Westminster have made him something of a cult figure on the right of American politics.

So organisers of the biggest political event of the year for US conservatives, the Conservative Political Action Conference just outside Washington DC, invited him this year instead of a British conservative politician - a break with tradition."

There are no British Conservative politicians left. They are all a progressive Oxbridge joke, the People's Army will free us from their PPE yoke.

It is a shame Farage wasn't born in the States because they'd make him President without a doubt. I guess we're lucky that he is UK only, so that he will be PM here one day.

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blacksunday · 15/03/2015 13:07

Oh yeah... promcoming - cool! ;)

LumpySpacedPrincess · 14/03/2015 22:19

That doesn't seem to be exactly what he said. He has clarified it differently. He said employers should be allowed to give preference to British nationals over foreign nationals.

He was asked a direct question on whether there would be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour and he replied no

"No... because we take the view, we are colour-blind. We as a party are colour-blind."

Unfortunately society is not "colour blind"

claig · 14/03/2015 21:59

'You talk a lot of crap about elitism'

Show me one instance where I have done that. Salient points that get to the heart of the matter, yes. Crap, absolutely not!

'but you never actually discuss their policies'

Have I not praised their policy to scrap the elite's Climate Change Act profusely? Have I not lauded local referenda, direct democracy and proportional representation which will put power into the hands of the people and prevent the tricks of the teenage whizz kids? who serve the unaccountable elites? Fabulous stuff. It doesn't get much better.

'Farage himself said that he would abolish racial discrimination laws. '

That doesn't seem to be exactly what he said. He has clarified it differently. He said employers should be allowed to give preference to British nationals over foreign nationals.

'UKIP have claimed that disabled people are a “parasitic underclass of scroungers”.'

I missed that. Which UKIP spokesman said that and what was the reaction of UKIP's Disability Spokesman who is disabled?

'Do you agree that disabled people are a “parasitic underclass of scroungers”, claig?'

Of course not and nor do UKIP, Britain's third largest political party by share of votes.

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blacksunday · 14/03/2015 21:44

You talk a lot of crap about elitism, blah blah, but you never actually discuss their policies, apart from from vaguely listing what you think they may be.

Citing that UKIP has a disability spokesman is meaningless. Anyone can have a disability spokesman. Fascist parties are never completely honest with their policies and intentions until they are elected because they know the public would never put them in to power in the first place if they did.

Farage himself said that he would abolish racial discrimination laws.

What do you think about this specific policy, claig? Do you agree they should be abolished?

UKIP have claimed that disabled people are a “parasitic underclass of scroungers”.

politicalscrapbook.net/2014/12/ukip-disability-benefit-claimants-are-parasitic-underclass-of-scroungers/

Disability groups, meanwhile, have come out strongly against UKIP as a threat:

Why the Rise of UKIP is dangerous for disabled people

dpac.uk.net/2013/05/why-the-rise-of-ukip-is-dangerous-for-disabled-people/

Do you agree that disabled people are a “parasitic underclass of scroungers”, claig?

claig · 14/03/2015 21:44

That's fine. People are different. That is the great thing about the free country and democratic system that we live in. Everybody is free to argue their case - Ed Miiband, Cameron abd Farage - and everybody is free to choose which one to vote for e.g. Farage.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 14/03/2015 21:40

I'm one of the masses too claig and I find UKIP abhorant.

claig · 14/03/2015 21:33

I'm one of the masses and not one of the metropolitan elite, so I am with the people against their stitch-ups, perks, moats, duck houses, backhanders, lobbyist fees and unrepresentative Lord Snooty policies from Eton and Oxbridge that ignore the people's wishes.

It's not fascism, it's populism, it's the people. Don't fall for the tricks of the public school boy teenage whizz kids funded by hedge fund billionaires who call a people's insurgency against the ruling class fascist in order to try and stop people voting for what is in their interests and not the interests of the elite.

UKIP represnt all of the people and they have ethnic minority candidates and their Disability Spokesman is a woman who is herself disabled. Don't fall for the smears of the teenage whizz kids from Eton and Oxfiord. They are as tricky as they get. Scruples have they none. They can't even spell the word never mind know what it means.

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blacksunday · 14/03/2015 21:24

And UKIPs policies are entirely regressive - and that is a bad thing.

Whenever any UKIP councillor has spoken of policies or about people who don't fit in to the 'in group' (Wealthy, British-born, Christian, white, male), then they come out with the most ludicrous and offensive crap.

It's not 'politically correct' to have laws against racial discrimination. It's the mark of a civilised society.

UKIP would get rid of such laws. Your assertion that they stick up for 'the people' again is shown to be absurd - unless by 'the people' you mean the 'in group' typified by fascist ideology.

blacksunday · 14/03/2015 21:20

The reason UKIP call themselves the People's Army is because they see themselves as representing the people in a battle with the ruling Establishment elite. They see this battle as important because they feel that the Establishment protects and looks after itself and does not represent the people.

Yes, that's was fascists do. They call themselves 'the peoples party' against the establishment.

That's what the Nazis did, and that's what Mussolini's fascist party did.

That's the whole point of fascism, it's a far right populist party. It is an appeal to 'the masses', who, in reality, as a subset of the population and labels themselves as the 'in group'.

The 'out group' is scapegoated as the cause of the countries problems. In this case, it's primarily immigrants, but like also fascist parties, they also have a disdain and hatred for the poor, weak, and disabled. Women are afforded second class status, according to 'traditional values'.

claig · 14/03/2015 21:12

'It's all about the 'anti-establishment' qualities'

UKIP call themselves the People's Army and the People's Party. The Tories are know as the business party and Labour is often described as the welfare party by the Tories.

What parties call themselves and what they are referred to by others is highly significant because it is an indication of their unstated values.

The reason UKIP call themselves the People's Army is because they see themselves as representing the people in a battle with the ruling Establishment elite. They see this battle as important because they feel that the Establishment protects and looks after itself and does not represent the people.

Sadly over time, I have come to think that this is the case too, just like millions of other people. I think the Establishment ignored the people when they marched in their millions against war with Iraq. I think the Establishment protected the banks and bailed them out above the needs of the people. I think the metropolitan elite often feel that the people are "left behind" and "not part of the future" in the neoliberal globalised world view to which the elite subscribe.

I support UKIP because I want social mobility and an end to rule by an out of touch arrogant politically correct elite that thinks that ordinary people are "swivel-eyed" or "fruitcakes" if they disagree with their politically correct orthodoxy. Read the comments in the Daily Mail the world's largest online new ssite, and you will see how widely that view is shared. The Establishment's teenage whizz kids read the comments and it spoils their champagne, of that you can be sure.

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claig · 14/03/2015 20:44

I don't think UKIP are racist. They have more ethnic minority candidates than the Greens.

have fewer ethnic minority candidates than any other party, including Ukip

I do talk about UKIP policies - direct democracy, local referenda, leaving the EU, scrapping the Climate Change Act, scrapping bedroom tax, scrapping university tuition fees for science and medical degrees, taking minimum wage earners out of taxation completely etc etc, but I also tink that UKIP's anti Establishment stance is of paramount importance because I think that so much of what is wrong with this country is due to the stitch up of the unrepresentative out of touch metropolitan elite and the disproportionate power of what I think is the Establishment's unrepresentative Oxbidge class in the higher echelons of power. I want a government that represents working people and puts their needs and wishes ahead of lobbyists and the Establishment. That will sort the country out and deliver prosperity and better living standards for ordinary people. That is why I support UKIP against the Establishment parties that didn't regulate the banks properly, knighted fat cats and imposed austerity on the people.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 14/03/2015 19:45

I know black, sometimes I play claig bingo and give myself double points for every time he/she/they mention the bbc.
Do you think it's a case of cognitive dissonance or not having a problem with UKIP's racist agenda?

blacksunday · 14/03/2015 19:34

Claig doesn't talk about UKIP policies.

It's all about the 'anti-establishment' qualities of the fascist party which she likes.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 14/03/2015 11:52

How you can vote for a party that is getting rid of equality laws is beyond me. UKIP would create an atmosphere where racism and sexism would thrive. I can only assume that you are okay with that. Sad

claig · 04/03/2015 21:01

"The way to fight Farage is with street protests, demonstrations, cartoons, insults – and any political weapon that comes to hand."

and here is what Farage, the people's advocate against the Oxbridge luvvies said

"However beastly the establishment is to me, or to any of our candidates in winnable seats, however personal and nasty this campaign becomes, Ukip will rise above it – we will turn the other cheek, we will ignore their insults and we will get on saying to the British people 'we believe in Britain and we want your vote because we want change'," he said.

www.ibtimes.co.uk/general-election-2015-nigel-farage-pitches-ukip-party-small-man-1487754

Farage, people's champion, said

"There's a country of real people out there and, in many ways, they are crying out for a different kind of politics.
...
"They are crying out for different kind of people in politics. They are crying out to be represented by people who look and sound like them."

The luvvies think they are better than the people. They think that their publicly-funded salaries aren't enough for teh great works that they do. They feel they are worth more and are doing us a favour. Well they are going to get a shock when they find out what the people think of them and say it at the ballot box. They thought their jobs and perks were safe they thought we would always put up with their ways. They thought the people were stupid. But their hubris will bring them low. They will be toppled by those they considered below.

"No-one is safe: Ukip's revolution takes Westminster"

www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/10/10/no-one-is-safe-ukip-s-revolution-takes-westminster

Don't believe their lies, don't succumb to their spin, stand firm, go and cast your vote and make sure the people win.

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claig · 04/03/2015 20:25

'Meet Ukip, Britain's most working-class party'

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukipwatch/100256765/meet-ukip-britains-most-working-class-party/

UKIP is the people's party. That is why the Oxbridge luvvies are frightened of UKIP. They are frightened of the people waking up and kicking them out, ending their perks and privileges, ending their plans and schemes and their gravy train salaries and lobbyist benefits, ending their entitlement, their pomposity and their mismanagement.

The more they hurl insults at Farage and the people, the more certain they are to lose. The luvvies' days are numbered. There are just over 60 days left to the election. Then the people will have their say.

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claig · 04/03/2015 20:14

Read the article above to see how frightened he luvvies are of Farage, representative of the people.

It is written by a Guardian journalist who went to Cambridge. It is so over the top, it is laughable. A picture of Farage smoking a cigar is used to depict Farage as almost a threat to British values. What it shows is that Farage is a threat to British luvvies.

I knew the Guardian was a luvvie paper and not a paper of the people like the Daily Mail, but this is so over the top that the luvvies have lost it.

"American republicans apparently believe he may “run Britain”. It is easy to laugh at that idea from this side of the Atlantic. Here in the UK the liberal consensus appears still to be that, despite a poll predicting that Farage will win a seat in the general election, he and Ukip are marginal, even declining forces on the national stage – and perhaps even a Good Thing if they undermine Cameron and let Labour form a government.

But we should pay heed to the American view of Farage. And we should be scared by this photograph. This is a picture of a dangerous man.

It is as if, to impress the Yanks, Farage has unveiled his inner gangster: the street fighter, the Machiavellian bastard, showing his arrogance and thuggishness."

Farage is no Machiavelli, he is of the people and tells it straight which is why the people vote for him and UKIP.

It is the Oxbridge luvvies who are the spinners and students of Machiavelli. They have to be in order to fool the people, lord it over them and misrule them.

It was Oxford graduate and Blair's former chief of staff, jJonathan Powell, who wrote a book called "The New Machiavelli: How to Wield Power in the Modern World". It is Oxford PPE Tony Blair, who used the spin skills of the Prince of Darkness, Oxford PPE, Peter Mandelson.

Luvvies have to use spin to fool the people. Luvvies are desperate, they are losing, the people are rising, they have had enough.

Power is slipping from the Oxbridge luvvies' grasp and they are lashing out at Farage and the people as they see their plans and schemes begin to crumble as the people demand change.

The Guardian journalist writes

"The way to fight Farage is with street protests, demonstrations, cartoons, insults – and any political weapon that comes to hand."

That is the way the Oxbridge luvvies fight. They fight dirty when they are losing. They know it's over.

Why not fight just using truth as Farage does.

Long live the people. We will win.

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blacksunday · 04/03/2015 19:27

The resistible rise of Nigel Farage

Ukip’s leader is revealed as a true Machiavellian in this US publicity shot. It shows a dangerous man: anyone who underestimates his threat to British decency is a fool

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/27/resistible-rise-of-nigel-farage-ukip

Hedgehoghunny · 03/03/2015 17:07

Nigel was clearly showing his true colours, alongside the crackpot right wing fringe of American politics, anti establishment, man of the people.

This will put off a lot of his potential supporters.

claig · 28/02/2015 20:43

At the time that "drivel" manifesto was written, my guess is that UKIP weren't a serious party because they though they had no chance of really winning and therefore didn't take the manifesto seriously as they were mainly focssed on leaving the EU and stoppig the climate change scam at the time.

But what happened in 2013, I think it was, was nothing short of a political revolution when Tory voters unexpectedly defected in their tens of thousands and voted UKIP in local council elections. That changed everything and UKIP started to get serious because they had a duty to represent the good people who voted for them an who had had enough of being taken for chumps by the Conservative Party.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 28/02/2015 20:40

He signed the front of the 2010 manifesto as the chief party spokesman and he launched it at Westminster saying it was time for straight talking in British politics yet he hadn't even read it?

So he is either a liar or an idiot that doesn't read the material he signs. Both bloody dangerous qualities wouldn't you say.

claig · 28/02/2015 20:30

'What about the homophobic leaflets they were giving away inside the conference?'

Was farage handing them out. It is a free country (at least for now) and some Christian groups handed out leaflets against sex education in schools. They are entitled to their views and their are LGBT groups within UKIP and some of their candidates are gay. There are different views and UKIP allows freedom and free expression and diversity of opinion.

'What about the 2010 manifesto which was deeply racist, sexist, homophobic and disabilist? And before you say it Farage attended the launch party for that manifesto so was obviously happy with it at the time. '

It was written by someone who was a Conservative, then joined UKIP and is now a Conservative MEP again. Farage didn't even read it all. He said it was "drivel".

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claig · 28/02/2015 20:25

"Rowdy Jeb Bush walkout at CPAC

February 27, 2015 by Michele Kirk 72 Comments

Chanting “USA, USA,” a crowd of tea partyn supporters walked out on former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush Friday before Bush’s speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Bush might be the perceived frontrunner for the 2016 Republican nomination in the mainstream media, but he’s a long way from the favorite of the party’s conservative base

www.bizpacreview.com/2015/02/27/rowdy-jeb-bush-walkout-at-cpac-183038

Those poor good people - activists who care and believe and campaign to make things better will be tricked and fooled again by the Establishment and the elites who laugh at them and impose their banker friendly candidates on the conservative base. The good people won't win, the elites will, but at least they have their eyes open while being fooled.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 28/02/2015 20:23

What about the homophobic leaflets they were giving away inside the conference? What about all the deeply racist, sexist and homophobic views UKIP spout that are tolerated by the party? What about the far right groups that Farage sits with in Europe? What about the 2010 manifesto which was deeply racist, sexist, homophobic and disabilist? And before you say it Farage attended the launch party for that manifesto so was obviously happy with it at the time.

What's the point Claig, you don't even think climate change is real.