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Can anyone explain exactly what the fuss..

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HappydaysArehere · 09/08/2014 09:54

Can anyone explain what Boris has done for London. The bus has not been an overall success but costs us Londoners a fortune., the bikes are no longer funded by Barclays perhaps because they are referred to as Boris bikes!! They have been the cause of deaths and I am more frightened of them than lorries and buses since I nearly had my lot as one disregarded a crossing and charged towards me. That river crossing is underused and has cost a fortune. The Olympics was gained by Ken Livingstons efforts but he is good at taking credit for other peoples work. He famously doesn't do detail and when at a loss for an answer he blubs, blubs away or throws in a Greek phrase or two. Is he really Prime Minister material? I hope the answer doesn't come when it's too late to realise that entertainment doesn't make for good government.

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HappydaysArehere · 13/08/2014 09:49

About to go to London now and face the hazards of bikes as I struggle to get across Trafalgar Square. Will say that Trafalgar Square is a revelation of renewal since Ken got rid of the pigeons and made the set up appropriate for various events. Will continue later......if I survive.

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HappydaysArehere · 13/08/2014 09:37

Thanks Isitmebut for joining in the discussion. What I was thinking of was the spending on the new buses which have cost a fortune but have met with a lot of criticsm eg break downs, cooling system not sufficient so frying the passengers. Then the bike system which is now paid for by us not Barcladys. The roads in London are totally inappropriate for their use. Hence the large loss of life which cyclists have experienced. This has led to more expense being demanded in a vain attempt to reduce the carnage. The fact is if you allow anyone to pick up a bike and set off in London's teeming, crowded set up you are asking for trouble. I was quite serious when I said earlier I was terrified of them. When I use the crossings I expect the lights to be obeyed by the traffic. However, it is common for bikes to totally ignore the signals and come whizzing along shouting at pedestrians to get out of the way. The last time I had this happen to me the following cyclist was shouting at the first who had missed me only because I managed to skip out of the way (a feat which is not easy at my age). Then the river crossing another hugely expensive undertaking but so underused that it has become a joke when he is asked on the radio about its use. The point I was trying to make was that Boris appears to attach his name to projects which promote him. You see him anywhere it will give him publicity but he never engages with union leaders, refused point blank to meet up with Bob Crowe etc even when strikes were at their most dire. Now Livingstone couldn't stand Crowe but he did make a point of making sure he met up with him. Boris appears to enjoy life and always takes the more easy and more agreeable option. If he is so popular why does he need a safe seat to transfer him back to Parliament?
I appreciate your other points and will try to answer them next but as this is so long winded I will read them again and respond shortly. Thanks again.

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longfingernails · 12/08/2014 22:33

Boris would be a disaster as PM. He hasn't done a great deal for London, beyond small cuts in council tax - but he hasn't massively screwed up either. In any case he is a darn sight better than the divisive Ken Livingstone, whose willingness to associate with the likes of Lutfur Rahman is truly appalling.

I think Labour will easily win the next Mayoral election, unless they put up someone truly awful.

Isitmebut · 12/08/2014 11:53

HappydaysArehere ……. A Boris “spend, spend, spend” is interesting, and as I left London over 30-years ago and don’t follow the annual affairs of London, please tell us what you mean.

I'll tell you why, as in my experience most people fail to see the long term economic difference of ££billions of taxpayers money being lavished on fat intrusive Quango-esk government/salaries, with the projects that creates private sector employment and over time helps creates sustainable economic growth e.g via infrastructure.

As an example of ‘the before’, Ken Livingston who did some good things e.g. Oyster cards, in a time when it should have been obvious London needed housing, had space cadet plans to launch a taxpayer funded London satellite in space to ‘monitor’ things on the ground, and have mobile phone calls go through it. Probably the time Labour were still looking to lock people up for 90-days without trial, IN CASE the security services needed it. Hmmm.

www.standard.co.uk/news/ken-livingstones-12m-space-mission-to-spy-on-drivers-7187159.html

Indeed Ken was well into a big fat subsidized by someone State, hence his relationship with the state controlled prices Venezuelan El-Presidenti Hugo Chavez, and with so much in common looked to trade a bit of their oil with our inability to upgrade our own London transport system, ‘expertise’.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100205661/hugo-chavez-ken-livingstone-and-me/

As I say, Livingstone’s 2000-2008 time in office came within what the BoE Governor called ‘the nice decade’, which was an understatement as that decade that ended in early 2008 was by good fortune a global boom, with stable inflation and lowing interest rates, was the best time to solve many of our social problems and make the proletariats life so much better – what a shame they fucked it up and left a £157 billion annual overspend.

So I reiterate, whatever Boris achieved ‘it could have been a lot worse’, as whether a socialist mayor or government, they can’t function, so once the money has run, out taxes for everyone go higher, businesses in the largest recession in 100-years would have suffered/closed = less jobs & taxes to fund big spending plans = ever larger national debt, on the Road to Athens.

HappydaysArehere · 11/08/2014 19:27

Think Boris's song could be Spend, Spend, Spend And I Can Only Look Better!

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WetAugust · 11/08/2014 16:38

The Who did Boris the Spider back in the 60s.

Quite appropriate

Isitmebut · 11/08/2014 15:41

Boris needs a song.

What was Blair/Brown's: "Things can only get better". Hmmm.

Boris came in to London when, 2008, after Ken Livingstone (2000-2008)had all the money to spend but brought in the Congestion Tax, pretty Labour par for the course e.g. Council Tax up over 110% under Labour.

Boris had to run London after the 'money party' was over, and the 'punchbowl' was well and truly broken.

No one likes the spending/debt party poopers, as little to give away.

Is there a song 'it could have been a lot 'kin worse'?

HappydaysArehere · 11/08/2014 08:14

There it is again. Just put the radio on. Nick Farari on LBC quoting Bariness Warsi banging on about the Conservatives not getting in as they are ignoring ethnic vote BUT he says "has she forgotten the Boris factor?" How much more publicity is he getting from his old mates? Claiig thanks for the info about the Mail but not surprised about Nadine, that woman courts publicity like a hound dog and Wet August that is a good example. Another was the constant demand for a knighthood for Bruce Forsythe. Hey, there's the answer a knighthood for Boris, kick him upstairs so he can't do too much harm. That article Wet mentions sounds interesting or should I say horrifying! Thanks everyone I began to think I was the only person who wasn't bathing in the magic light cast by Boris.

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claig · 10/08/2014 23:15

The Mail is joining in the hype over Boris today. Nadine Dorries is backing him. The media will probably swing to his favour. Lots of Conservatives are not too keen, including on the Mail, but the Tories are probably so desperate to find someone popular that they may go for it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2721275/I-want-I-says-Boris-polls-clear-favourite-Tory-leader.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720896/Revealed-Tory-MPs-plot-dump-Dave-Boris-100-MPs-ready-vote-Queen-s-Speech-forcing-Prime-Minister-resign.html

He is playing a more Eurosceptic card, but I don't think that is for real. However, Boris can flipflop and get away with it.

WetAugust · 10/08/2014 22:46

Well you mY be right because it was drip drip drip that got Camilla accepted by he public

WetAugust · 10/08/2014 22:45

Boris is not PM material. I am uncertain as to whether the Tory party really would be dopey enough to think Boris would be an election winner for them, but who knows, they were after all dazzled by shiny Dave and his rather ordinary ability to speak without notes!

If they do elect Boris s their leader it would just be an act of desperation from a party.

Read an interesting article today that said that Boris would wait until dave's promised EU referendum and then campaign for a NO vote while Cameron campaigns for a YES, then loses the referendum and Boris takes over as Tory leader.

A bit too convoluted I think.

HappydaysArehere · 10/08/2014 09:36

Also, got a horrible feeling that it is going to be the drip, drip, effect. The idea that if people are exposed to the idea long enough it will become the truth. So many people don't appear to explore further than the headlines. Agree about "shiny Dave" the PR man with little else to offer who shelters himself by surrounding himself with "mates ". No wonder people disengage with politics. My fear is that votes could go to Boris precisely for that reason. Help, help.

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HappydaysArehere · 10/08/2014 09:21

Thanks DiaDuit. Just turned LBC on. Once more they are giving this self seeking, devious wannabe publicity. The "magic" of the man etc. etc. I could weep.

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DiaDuit · 09/08/2014 15:03

he really isn't prime minister material and it would be a sad day (sadder than when shiny dave got it) if he were to become PM. in fact I think it's pretty sad that he is even being talked about as PM. has it really come to that? that's what we have on offer to us? embarrassing. please let some fresh new faces arrive on the scene and turn the shit around.

HappydaysArehere · 09/08/2014 14:58

Wow, I couldn't agree more. My only fear is that so many voters are talking about Boris as a breath of fresh air". This is the man who is anything but in the excerpts I have seen from London assembly meetings. This is the man who thinks nothing of doing the dirty on his wife so would I trust him? I wouldn't buy a second hand car from him. I only hope you are correct about the public seeking conviction not clowning otherwise we will walk into a voting disaster. On a daily basis there is constant talk about Boris's political ambitions. Thank you for your excellent posting. It has cheered me up no end.

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claig · 09/08/2014 10:27

'Can anyone explain exactly what the fuss..'

I think his popularity is symptomatic of the low esteem in which our political class of spinners is held by most of the public. They are so out of touch and so divorced from ordinary people's concerns and so powerless (as the EU makes the important laws), that they crave public support by embracing jokers and clowns and comedians. Labour bigwigs are photographed with Eddie Izzard in a vain attempt to win back public support, but the effect is the exact opposite and the public only mock them even more.

Their public approval has got so low that they would endorse Donald Duck or Charlie Chaplin for Prime Minister if a focus group told them they were more popular than the rest of them. But, paradoxically, that is exactly why the public has lost faith in them and they have lost all credibility.

The public seeks conviction not clowning. But none of them have any conviction - apart from the new star on the block, Nigel Farage, which explains his real popularity with a large portion of the public.

claig · 09/08/2014 10:07

'Is he really Prime Minister material?'

I don't think he is. He puts his foot in his mouth too often and sometimes even borders on being insulting to other countries in some of his jokey speeches. A Prime Minister has to represent the entire United Kingdom abroad and that requires diplomatic skills. Tomfoolery and buffoonery at that level is not good for the country.

HappydaysArehere · 09/08/2014 10:02

By the way I meant Boris took the credit for the Olympics although Ken Livingstone worked hard to get them. Apparently Ken had trouble getting ticket!

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