The EU. In or out?

Whilst I agree that we should remain within the EU, we are the only country that chooses to enshrine EU law within our own legislation. I often see it on these boards that leaving the EU would take us 'back to the 60's' in terms of health and safety legislation, equality legalisation and other forms of rights we have gained from the EU. That is incorrect. Actually if we repealed the European Communities Act 1972, we could be out of Europe but keep the legislation that we created within our own statutes. Therefore, we would retain all of the beneficial laws from the EU without being a part of it. That is the only benefit for the bonkers double law system that only applies to the UK because of our insistence to keep our legislative powers they way they were, despite the supremacy of EU law - no other country within the EU has that facility.

However, there are lots of competition laws in respect of trade agreements which British manufacturers would no longer be protected by if we removed ourselves from the EU. Therefore, I think for UK economy purposes, it would be better for UK manufacturers to remain in the EU, otherwise trade within the EU would be extremely disadvantaged against none EU members.

Hope this makes sense as it's late, and I'm off to bed now.

cos it's crap!

Hattifattiner please can you explain your justification for scrapping the CAP?

Out out out! Can't stand the EU. I think it will collapse like a house of cards after we leave as well. Other countries just don't want to be the first to leave. There's nothing as regards employment law etc that we couldn't do ourselves, without paying out billions to unelected, unaccountable, thieving scumbag EU politicos.

The wee flags beside our names are the teams we are supporting in the World Cup. Nothing to do with our birth country.

In for me. I've lived and worked in a number of member states, and while it's an imperfect organisation, on balance it does much good.

And more selfishly, it's why I can live here without having to apply for visas, etc.

In. It needs some reforming - some of the rules that come along are plain bonkers and interfering - but overall it's a jolly good thing.

In, in, in. I have benefitted so hugely from the freedom to travel and work across the EU. I've lived and worked in two countries. I'm not a millionaire, PPE member of the elite.
Fifty years of peace.
Millions of jobs, particularly in poorer areas such as the North East of England.
Lots of pro-consumer law. Cheaper phone bills and compensation from airlines who get things wrong and just two examples.
I would scrap the CAP and the CFP. I'm not a fan of Juncker.
But then again I don't like the bedroom tax or Michael Gove.

IN.

IN.

With bells on.

The more I've travelled around Europe the more I become aware of how much we get out of it; and how much our participation helps other European nations - which is to OUR advantage rather than at our expense.

I would however, keep the pound and associated fiscal independence.

"we don't want to live under Communism or unelected dictatorship, that's what the EU want's to impose"

I think the biggest issue isn't so much what the EU is actually doing, but what people think it does or stands for.

Because clearly the idea of reimposing Communism or dictatorship is poles away from what the EU is about, and its Member States would find that idea deeply troubling for obvious historical reasons.

There is such a huge mire of misinformation about the EU, much of it so embedded in people's minds as the truth, that it would be virtually impossible to correct.

Though in the UK I think the British media is certainly to blame for this in part, the EU itself is very bad at communicating, despite its efforts. For some reason it rarely seems to hit on the right way to convey what it is doing to those people who are actually benefiting from it.

Of course, where EU initiatives are seen as successful, national governments like to take the credit. And where they aren't successful, the national administrations are quick to point the finger and shift any blame to Brussels. But that's politics, I suppose...

Reuters says this morning that a poll carried out states that 47% of the public would vote to leave the EU, as opposed to 39% who would want to stay.

kat 'being a European' I take it you feel no affiliation to Germany then? As that's the flag next to your nickname, or whatever country you were born in?

Unlike Germany Britain's have not had to live under fascism, dictatorships etc; so many British people feel very different about the EU, we don't want to live under Communism or unelected dictatorship, that's what the EU want's to impose.

We've not had at the 'jackboots' on our heads yet, but I'm sure it's coming!

In.

Lived in Switzerland for a while and dealing with anything EU was so bloody complicated, really made me appreciate being a European even more.

In.

Because I believe that EU membership is the only thing that saves the UK state from letting pure capitalism rule free. I thank the EU for my working conditions.

In.

In

wetaugust. I was going to say cheers with a before, but thought it too early in the day!

Claig quite rightly pointed out Mumsnet is not representative of the British public at all

Very true, which is why I rarely post on MN any more.

I'll join you with a IronMaiden.

Why count Claig's posts? What a waste of time! We will leave the EU in the next couple of years, that deserves a !

Claig quite rightly pointed out Mumsnet is not representative of the British
public at all!
4 million voted for UKIP in the EU elections, I think the British public have made their views on the EU very plain.

Out for sure, the EU is so undemocratic. We are much better off as a sovereign country, which it does not feel like now, trade with the EU, but not run by them.
The EU is great for poor countries, they need the money the EU brings, but we need to get out!

And well done for counting them. It's a wonder you didn't write in green ink too.

'23/65 posts on thread from Claig'

Short of my usual quota. But at least you have added an interesting post.