Why are ukip so bad?

Addendum: You might even start wondering what sort of a person gives up their free time to shout insults at such people...

"Fascism always takes root when politics is at a crisis point, and the establishment needs to recruit members from the struggling middle-class and unemployed and completely screwed over working-class. "

Here we agree entirely... Facists require an emergency to cement their power and inflict their views, by force if necessary, on the population. They require repressive state machinery to control dissent and a cause to rally people to them. Libertarians seek to remove the levers of power such that fascists cannot prosper.

Fascism is in fact the diametric opposite of Libertarianism. Controls on freedom of speech, the erosion of civil liberties, preferred status under the law for party members and a compliant, controlled puppet press are all hallmarks of fascism which we have either seen recently in the UK, or seen the beginnings of.

Frankly I have little or no interest in the gutter insults and petty link spamming which passes for debate on here. I live in the real world and, like most people, make my own mind up.

The assertions which are constantly made about UKIP members are easy to test - in the real world. If as ttosca makes clear we are, "nasty, reactionary, bigoted and racist" then it is a simple matter to check by merely talking to someone from UKIP or a party member.

If you do I suspect you'll find yourself in better company than you expected.

Of course I'm trying to convince you to not vote UKIP.

I'm doing that because I think UKIP are a nasty, reactionary, bigoted and racist party, and I think that if they ever come anywhere near power they will make a whole lot of people's lives a whole lot more miserable.

They're not an 'anti-establishment' party. They ARE the establishment.

Fascism always takes root when politics is at a crisis point, and the establishment needs to recruit members from the struggling middle-class and unemployed and completely screwed over working-class.

Fascism provides an escape route for the establishment - look! It's those bloody foreigners! It's the Bulgarians! The Romanians! The Jews! The Gays! It's their fault you have no job and your wages haven't increased in three decades! It's their fault your taxes have gone up but your public services have been privatised and have become both more expensive and more shit.

Don't believe the hype.

If you want to give the middle-finger to the establishment, don't vote for an establishment party - including UKIP.

JumbleBee-

Here are a couple of run-downs on why UKIP are so horrible:

Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence

Voting UKIP Is Not a Protest, It’s an Own Goal

www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/05/04/voting-ukip-is-not-a-protest-its-an-own-goal/

Extending the vote to women and the middle class was a mistake

www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/13/strip-public-of-the-vote-says-ukip-candidate

Because they are happy to be bank rolled by this man....

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-handed-fresh-embarrassment-as-backer-demetri-marchessini-claims-theres-no-such-thing-as-marital-rape-9308272.html

Because if you disagree with them publically on something like twitter and express an opinion that is not in anyway libellous or breaking the law they get the police to go round and see you and ask you to take it down. (More fool the police....& I wonder about the data protection act....)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-free-speech-row-police-tell-blogger-to-take-down-legitimate-facts-taken-from-official-eurosceptic-party-policy-9358196.html

I could go on.....they are quite frightening really - the only good thing is they are getting people to pay attention.....and shaking up the other parties...

Idiocy on my part MissMarplesBloomers I'm afraid...

I don't speak for the party, merely seeking to inform.

Spin are you Mr Farage???!

What's with the royal "we" ?

"Everytime I see someone posting on Facebook I about how they support ukip my first thought is "silly", just from what I've read on mumsnet."

Hmmm...

Mumsnet appears to be full of liblabcon party activists smearing or misrepresenting UKIP. Indeed there are some thoroughly nasty and indecent types on here, all of whom appear to hate and fear UKIP with a vengeance....

Generally they just link to other sites which misrepresent or smear UKIP and it's supporters or post quotes from ordinary members rather than official policies.

Increasingly facebook too, though obviously there are for more likes for UKIP than the old, failed, parties.

This isn't surprising for a number of reasons however it isn't really my style to respond to the crazies...

Fundamentally UKIP is libertarian and promotes small government and self determination. In other words what you do, within the law, is none of the state's business - quite the opposite of the liblabcon's obsession with trying to control and nanny every aspect of our lives.

In particular UKIP sees equality under the law as the defining principle of governance. Hence if we did have a specific policy on maternity pay ( we don't ) then it would have to be equal for men and women.

We distrust the entire political class and seek to get ordinary people into positions of power. Hence doctors running the NHS, old soldiers forming defence policy etc. Frankly there is no difference between a labour millionaire with a degree from Oxford and a tory one, they know nothing about our lives and show nothing but contempt for the common chap or chapess. They also tend to be blissfully and ignorantly incompetent as they have no experience of the real world or a proper job. In short, we aren't too keen on professional politicians of whatever hue...

We believe in free trade, especially with our cousins in the commonwealth, and that the North East and Wales are just as important as zone 1 in London.

All of UKIP's policies are under review and will be released in a manifesto before the next general election ( same as it is for the other parties) so I can't give you any links. Previous policies however include Grammar schooling, removing minimum wage earners from tax entirely and a flat tax to replace income tax and NI in order to eradicate avoidance.

Basically BNP UKIP are the acceptable face of racism.

They're praying on people's fears of other cultures and races to gain votes.

Nigel Farage is an awesome politician. He's the sort of guy you could see yourself having a pint with.

The rest of his party though seem more like racist muppets.

Here is a link from their mini manifesto in 2010 (one of the only ones they haven't deleted) southcambsukip.org.uk/ukip_mini_manifesto_201004_v01.html

Take note of the maternity, paternity, congregate communities and social housing lines.

Sorry, some Mumsnetters

It's not silly to look into what a political party stands for. Just bear in mind that some supporters will have their own ideas about UKIP. Some will try to tell you what to think and how to vote.

There's an interesting website called Pocket Politics that allows you to compare political parties policies from the 2010 election. That might be a useful starting point.

Their manifesto is available on their website. They're more or less the BNP in suits.