Why are ukip so bad?

I love UKIP for driving up the Yes vote in Scotland.

From the UKIP constitution...

Objectives:

2.3 The Party believes that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (hereinafter “The United Kingdom”) should only be governed by her own citizens and that its governance shall at all times be conducted first and foremost in the interests of the United Kingdom and its peoples and that the only laws that should apply within the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom are those wholly made by the Parliament of the United Kingdom. To that end it shall be the policy of the Party that the United Kingdom shall cease to be a member of the European Union and shall not thereafter make any Treaty or join any international organisation which involves in any way the surrender of any part of the United Kingdom’s sovereignty. The Party further believes that the integrity of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (hereinafter “The United Kingdom”) should be maintained.

2.4 In pursuit of these objectives the Party will at all times adhere to the principle of full equality before the law. The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law. Further the Party shall at all times adhere to the principles of the rule of law, liberty, democracy and respect for the human rights and the essential, traditional freedoms of the people of the United Kingdom and those under the protection of the United Kingdom.

2.5 The Party is a democratic, libertarian Party and will espouse policies which:

• promote and encourage those who aspire to improve their personal situation and those who seek to be self-reliant, whilst providing protection for those genuinely in need;

• favour the ability of individuals to make decisions in respect of themselves;

• seek to diminish the role of the State;

• lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses;

• ensure proper control over the United Kingdom’s borders;

• strengthen and guarantee the essential, traditional freedoms and liberties of all people in the United Kingdom.

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Note that all members sign up to the constitution; those who act in a way which does not accord with the above are swiftly disciplined or ejected from the party. The vast majority of the 35000+ members do so. Those who do not tend to be new arrivals from other political parties in my experience....

For instance the gay weather chappy had been a tory councilor for many years, had been saying the same things, had similar letters published in his local paper and no-one had batted an eyelid.

He joined UKIP and became front page news a few months later, whilst refusing requests to stop doing interviews. He therefore received the coverage he craved.

Meanwhile there are numerous liblabcon members and elected representatives who are ex National Front or BNP members ( both types are explicitly banned from UKIP membership) , paedophiles, thugs and thieves whose crimes go unnoticed by the mainstream press.

As an example 10 out of the 2300 UKIP local election candidates have been expelled from the party for various reasons, whilst a libdem candidate remains despite being prosecuted for assaulting a 7 year old child. Another resigned after sending explicitly racist emails and one of their councilors was convicted of a racially aggravated assault. Of their 56 MPs there is only 7 women and no ethnic minorities. Of those who have been elected as MPs a disturbingly high percentage have either sexual or paedophilic offences to their names in addition to the usual grubby expense and contempt scandals.

If I included labour and tory candidates I could fill pages of barely reported incidents, some of the more extreme are mentioned by Nigel in the link above.

If you want to know who UKIP are then talk to them face to face and make your own minds up.

The reason the media puppets are going after teh "fruitcakes" of UKIP is because they have no other way of trying t stip UKIP.

The media puppets all watched Cleggy, one of the finest minds in the country - public school, Cambridge and no less an institution than the College of Europe - flounder as he tried to "make the case" for the EU.

He had all the finest Oxbridge minds and spinners prepping him for the debate with Farage. The establishment spared no expense. Farage, of the people's party, had no one to help him - just a "fruitcake" and a pint. But that was all he needed to wipe the floor with establishment Cleggy.

The media puppets were shocked that Cleggy was unable to make any impact at all. That is when their masters told them to try the only strategy they had left. they called it "find the fruitcakes". They searched for UKIP "fruitcakes" for weeks and couldn't find any however hard they tried. It was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Finally they struck gold and found a few. They gave them headline coverage and made them frontpage news. But the public ignored it. They understood the game.

Now we're in the last week before the vote. Kitchen sinks are being unbolted from kitchens and media luvvies are getting ready to throw the lot at the public in the final week. But it is unlikely to work. The public understand the chums and sneaks.

We hope that will happen. But we know that many of the chums are really puppets. We know that the EU makes the laws. That is why the establishment is trying to stop UKIP , because UKIP wants the people's Parliament to make the laws, not the unelected unaccountable bureaucrats of Brussels and the bankers.

The reason all the media puppets are anti UKIP is because their masters have told them and the chums to put the squeeze on the people and throw the kitchen sink at the public in order to try and stop them voting for UKIP and ending the unaccounatable, undemocratic EU game.

Well if ukip don't topple the chums this election and the chums start listening to the people and act accordingly, then the chums will become the people's party and there will be no need for the ukip revolution.

'There are better protest votes out there.'

There aren't. this is what Peter Oborne said in the Telegraph.

"No political party in modern history – not even Neil Kinnock’s Labour in 1987 – has come under such sustained attack and misrepresentation. Mr Kinnock at least had The Guardian and the Daily Mirror; Mr Farage cannot boast a single national title, and several papers are running vendettas against him."

The chums, the spinners, the media puppets and luvvies are not messing about. This is the biggest challenge they have faced. This is a real protest and they are throwing the kitchen sink at the people in order to put the people back in their box.

' they wouldn't bother their arses fighting in the EU elections'

As Natalie Bennett of the Greens said, our electoral system is broken. The people cannot get their voice heard because the chums and the Labour luvvies have a cosy two-party first past the post system. The EU elections are proportional and that is why the public is able to have its say and they are going to do it.

UKIP has been fighting for over 20 years, that is how long it has taken them, and now they are getting some success and the chums are panicking. Non-establishment, peoples' parties have to fight whatever elections they can in order to grow and pose a challenge to the chums and luvvies.

VeryStressed, this is a revolution and it has only just begun. the public have ignored all the media puppets, all the spinners, all the great and the good and have stuck with the people's party through thick and thin and have been immune to the spin.

Even if UKIP don't topple the chums this election, they will end up holding the balance of power. the chums will have to start listening to the people for once. All the spin, all their plans will have to be dropped as the people demand their say. They know it's curtains, they'll no longer have it all their way.

Sorry for the typos. Should Preview before I press Send when DS is asleep and kicking on the sofa beside me.

I don't like UKIP because if their reliance and exploitation of In-group prejudice, rather than actually having a plan to make things better.

Realistically, if UKIP were committed to the UK's removal from Europe (which seems to be their touted raisin-d'aitre, they wouldn't bother their arses fighting in the EU elections. The only way to get the UK out would be national referendum, which they can only bring about once in power in Westminister.

However, they are saving their powder in order to bring about actual change. They are exploiting political disaffection and In-Group Prejudice to gain MEP seats. To what end?

So to me UKIP are a bunch of people I don't think I'd like, asking me to vote to give them a huge salary. They are of no benefit or consequence and are a waste of a vote.

There are better protest votes out there.

This is all very well of ukip actually won in 2015, but they won't. I don't think farage even thinks he will.

"Farage will have to do better than 'slash the quangos we'll save billions'."

As far as I understand it, it is all being costed as we speak. And it is being done by ordinary people, not spinners and think tanks, so it will be to the benefit of the people and not the chums, their spinners and hangers-on.

'Do you honestly believe UKIP are going to give people the power?'

Yes, because they don't whip their councillors. They are ordinary people and they won't screw the people. I think it was Farage who said something like trying to control UKIP members is a bit like herding cats. They are libertarians, ordinary people, against all spin and for the people. That is why the spinners and the elite are in such a panic and tizzy. They know their game is up.

There'll be no chumlike "minimum alcohol pricing" when the people's party are in power, and there'll be no free drinks and free ride for the chums. That is what has got the chums fuming and biting their nails.

The thing is, Farage will have to do better than 'slash the quangos we'll save billions'.
At least if he said what quangos he's planning to slash and exactly how much it will save, also what he plans to do with the money, then he might be more credible.

'They'll be wanting you to pay to park your pink elephant next'

Don't give the chums any ideas. They haven't got any of their own. They employ spinners and think tanks to come up with ways to screw the people.

UKIP folk love to talk like they're revolutionary. I think The Who nail it with their prophetic little ditty:

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

UKIP are just failed politicians trying a different tack - in peer all their big talk of change will melt away.

Sorry, the people's champion was the great Bob Crowe

'The people don't care about alcohol, their drink is mineral water'

The people like them both. As the great people's champion always used to say
"If it's good enough for the bosses, then it's good enough for the workers"

So "if it's good enough for the chums, then it's good enough for the people"

Claig, I would take Cameron's Etonian buffoons over Farages friend who wants to shoot gay people!
Can't wait to see what it government will be like with people like that in it.

. I'm never sure if your MN persona is an elaborate & well-maintained hoax, claig, but enjoy your mineral water bubbles.

How very dare the Bullingdon buffoons try to overprice the alcohol in it. They'll be wanting you to pay to park your pink elephant next.

'And how are they going to save lots of tax payer money?'

They are going to slash the quangos. All those useless Labour luvvies will be out of jobs. We will save mlllions. Some UKIP strategists have even said it will save us billions. There will be no more taxpayer money from hardworking people going to "save the planet" by combatting the flatulence of Colombian cattle. If the chums want to spend money on that, they can do so out of their own pockets, not with the hardworking public's money.

Claig, are you sure it's water?

Who are the 'chums'? Do you honestly believe UKIP are going to give people the power? They're going to get us out of the EU, destroy our trade, strip us of our human rights and there will be fuck all any of us can do about it because we will be out of the EU. They are worrying. They are not your friends, they are not going to wave a magic wand and fix anything. They are jumped up twats with no real policies and abhorrent views on the world, especially for women.

So the people's drink is mineral water, but 'the people' didn't like it because the chums (still don't know who they are) wanted to price the people out of buying alcohol. The people don't care about alcohol, their drink is mineral water

Haven't you heard about Cameron's chumocracy? The Etonian Bullingdon buffoons who wanted to introduce "minimum alcohol pricing" for the plebs, while they claimed for bath plugs from the "squeezed middle".

'I'd have a pint of whatever claig's on'

Mineral water. The people's drink. The chums wanted to introduce "minimum alcohol pricing" to price the people out of it.