Do you think the Tories will get a majority in 2015?

In September 2007, as you say, it was JUST prior to the financial crash, which led to the Great Recession, when we had a budget deficit of around £30-£35 billion.

Don't you think that it is more of a problem when Brown was saying in 2010 'what deficit' when it was approaching £157 billion, that Osbourne and the Conservatives were losing votes saying we need to get the finances under control - as they were in 1997 before the Tories left power, leading to NO deficit a few years later as Brown was forced by markets to accept the previous Tory spending plans?

What did Ukip plan, apart from fire nearly 2 million public sector workers back to 1997 levels AND have a combined income tax and national insurance of 31p - stuffing the poor, helping the rich - can someone tell me?

I hope not.

Can I just point out to all those who talk about Labour 'recklessly spending' that prior to the GLOBAL financial crash, George Osborne stated;

"WE WILL MATCH LABOUR'S SPENDING PLANS, POUND FOR POUND'.

At no point did he say 'hang on, shouldn't you be fixing the roof while the sun shines'.

Which to my mind, means they can say NOTHING about historic spending, because they supported those plans.

Rejoice poster lol.

Talking about ‘the country’ and your apparently sad situation, if you click on the electoral link here and look at the map, you’ll see that for now that the Conservatives are THE party of England, which really makes you think about dodgy electoral boundaries – but as Labour only needs around 36% of the vote to get a decent majority, you’ll get your wish soon enough.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

I just looked at the Constituency predictor website. Tories have an 89% chance of keeping the seat. I do think I live in the most Conservative place in the country!

C-l-e-a-r-l-y I’m not saying that, the point I was making was in the first line re “priorities”, the state of the State in 2010 with how many of the ‘Blair’s babes’ of 1997 that survived and Labour women MP’s that have followed, or the 2014 with 1.5 million more jobs, manufacturing order books at multi decade highs and huge reforms to reduce our national debt that happens to have only 3 women?

Most women I know have their own views on their life/work balance and want to get where they are on merit, rather than just be shipped in as a gender statement sitting there never saying boo to their glorious leader goose, mouthing the whips class attacks on the government.

Arguably the fact a coalition was formed has had SOME bearing on the numbers of women within the current government, as there will be twice as many males egos to stroke and some like the Lib Dem Sarah Teather(?) might not want to be in a cabinet that she does not fully support re their Agreement policies.

As to my personal opinion, as a ‘child of Thatcher’ from a council home, with an inner city comprehensive school education who believed anything was possible and worked hard/did well (until now lol), I firmly believe in a meritocracy - so I’d have no objections if EVERY MP was a women, IF they were good enough. Poster women MP’s without a brain, or all women (or men) shortlists, I have no time for them, on either side of the House.

Are you saying that women are less politically competent than men, as you seem to accept that only 3 women in the coalition are competent enough to be members of the government compared to 19 men. Do you see any problem with having so few women?

Nice to see you have your priorities right; in 2015 'the people' will have two choices in who will form the next government.

The party who rescued the UK economy from 1979, then handed over to Labour in 1997 the fastest growing economy in Europe, before Labour crashed it again, and ONCE AGAIN it is the fastest growing G7, not just European. economy.

or

The incompetent party who has not got a clue how to create jobs, other than 100% tax funded Public Sector ones, BUT HAVE MORE WOMEN in their cabinet ?????

Conservative or Labour, a vote for Ukip who cannot change a thing will put pro EU and immigration Labour back in and once again to trash the economy, this time faster as we are only just recovering - but at least they have more women. Marvellous.

WetAugust:

"Tories say one thing and take the diametrically opposed action."

Have to agree:

David Cameron said he wanted a third of his government to be women by the next election: there are three women out of 22 cabinet members.

Nah - it'll be a pie and a pint.

Wet August…Hopefully you socialise with Ukip’s big wealthy ‘swinging dick’ backers, as I won’t sacrifice my high moral compass and life long crusade to inform ‘the people’ about dodgy political parties….cheaply. lol

I'll arrange a whipround later this afternoon

WetAugust...in answer to your question, ttosca-ca-ca who certainly isn't paid for his rubbish (or they'd ask for their money back), can't believe anyone who is this good, isn't. lololol

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I'm not, I am just very angry at Labour for their policy record in power, and unlucky for him, I have a decent political and economic knowledge, been around nearly 6 decades and have a very good memory.

ttosca doesn't think the unqualified lies he writes is 'leading'. Idiot.

P.S. If anyone DOES want to pay me, even to shut up, I'd think about it, lol

and you're almost certainly being paid to do so.

What makes you think that?

Actually, I take that back.

Technically, it's true. You personally may not care who people vote for. Yet again, though, your statement is leading.

You're obviously trying to influence people to vote Tory, and you're almost certainly being paid to do so.

I don't give a flying who you vote for,

Yes you do. You're being paid to try to influence people to vote for the Tories.

I don't give a flying who you vote for, just trying to open U-kippers eyes to the truth - as I don't mind the Conservatives losing to any party with better policies - it's losing to political parties with NO POLICIES OR POWER TO CHANGE WHAT THEY PROMISE, that gives me the right hump, as you may have noticed.

P.S. Feel free to challenge the subject facts of any of my 'misquotes' of yours and if I'm factually wrong, I'll apologise to you.

Ismebut

First you misquote me.

Then you insult me.

That's not the way to influence people to vote Tory.

WetAugust….did you write your last post under the influence of something, as I wasn’t misquoting you, I just summarised what you were saying and I can understand that in plain language, it indicates anyone voting for Ukip for ‘changes’ to anything, is a complete waste of a vote YET WILL influence if Labour or the Conservatives forms the next administration – as like it or not, that is the only outcome.

Frankly I don’t get how one doorstep experience with a politician can colour someones judgement on such a party divisive issue as the EU enough to make them waste a vote when there is only ONE way we will leave the EU e.g. via a referendum.

But I do now understand how many people followed various political parties deemed ‘radical’ in the 1930’s etc – when voters defied basic common sense to follow 'great leaders’ promising change – although back then, they actually had the means.

Larrygrylls…..there is no cross party agreement on immigration at all, the fact is we have little controls over the EU ‘freedom of movement’ as it is enshrined in British law until we leave the EU.

But we do on non-EU citizens that were controlled prior to 1997 by the Conservatives and since coming back in 2010 as the figures within the table on the previous page I provide PLUS those of the last few years, shows.

So the longer we stay in the EU, that Ukip have no control over, the longer the EU immigration will continue UNLESS the EU largest members put their foot down to change it, which is a possibility, but one we should not rely on.

If the Conservatives place an EU Referendum in their 2015 General Election manifesto, if they get a majority in 2015 it will happen, the people demand it. Any EU concessions that Cameron obtains prior to the Referendum is immaterial, other than it MAY strengthen the ‘IN’ vote currently larger in the polls than the ‘OUT’ vote, albeit with loads undecided.

I’m sorry but Ukip’s “challenge” days are over, as the 3-main parties have stated their position and Ukip can do diddly squat to change the Labour or Lib Dem ‘IN’ policies – but as the Conservative’s need to be several points AHEAD in the polls to get a majority due to dodgy electoral boundaries and both other parties are firmly ‘IN’ – the ONLY chance by policy the UK will have to leave the EU is via a Conservative government and that is doubtful.

Ukip is indeed a “single issue” party, but they can change nothing and voters have to choose between Labour and the Conservatives on who they trust to manage EVERY OTHER domestic issue when the economy is turning the corner.

There is a lot of moaning about ukip from 'ski-disant' sophisticates. The reality is that all the main parties have agreed on immigration leading to an overcrowded country, a housing bubble and a reserve of cheap labour excluding many lower paid from earning a living wage.

Of course, if you live in the leafy london suburbs or Surrey (or similar), your 'au pair' (who is actually being used as a combined cleaner, nanny and dogsbody) is very convenient. As is your Eastern European odd job man.

The main parties cannot continue to stitch up the country on major constitutional issues and expect no challenge. And I bet that, were the Tories to win, they would claim some meaningless ec concessions and not have the promised referendum. Sometimes we need single issue parties.

And, en passant, I think the lib dems will get deservedly slaughtered next election. They traded principles for a brief sniff of power and now have no core support at all.

Itsmebut

Stop misquoting me.

You have one big problem you keep harping back to the past.

I have no faith whatsoever that the Conservatives will ever permit a referendum and, even if they do, I have no faith that they will pose a fair question to the electorate.

And let me tell you about my experience with the Conservatives. I once had a senior Cabinet Tory politician on my doorstep asking me if I would vote Tory. I told him that I would not as my primary concern was the EU and I wanted a UK exit. He said he shared my concerns blah blah and soon after I started receiving unsolicited publications from the anti-EU CAF group within the Tory party. What a coincidence.

The next thing that append was that a Tory leadership election was called. Guess who this self-proclaimed anti-EU senior Cabinet politician supported in the leadership election Ken Clark!!!!! Hell would have frozen over before I could brig myself to vote for Ken Clark who is one of the most pro-EU of the Tory politicians. I guess the EU didnt feature very highly after all in that senior Tory Cabinet ministers mind.

So, based on that first-hand experience, Tories say one thing and take the diametrically opposed action.

Sorry Ive had enough of being bull-shitted.

So you still see UKIP as fruitcakes akin to the Monster Raving Looneys. Great the best campaigns were built on lulling the enemy into a false sense of security.

And as far as Im concerned Nigel and co can rip the EU off by any amount they want to as long as that money goes towards the stated aim of achieving an EU exit. In my mind its better spent that way than on duck houses, having your moat cleaned out, or paying for your husbands porn videos..

And I couldnt give a flying fuck if UKIP permits a Lab Govt or a Lib one or even a Monster raving Looney one as all the parties are as bad as each other.

Agirlwithwings …..I am not saying that everyone who votes for Ukip is a closet Conservative at all.

What I am saying is if ANY Ukip voter is passionately voting for Farage to bring us out of the EU, they would have a similar Bob Hope of a chance voting for The Monster Ravings, or if want a party with decent domestic policies, the Greens – it is a fact only a majority Conservative government in 2015 will offer the people a in/out referendum choice.

Furthermore, in a two main party system where either Miliband or Cameron will lead the country in 2015 - and likely to be Miliband alone or in a Lib Dem coalition – Ukip voters will get stuck with the party that had the following policies (listed in the link below) that got us into the economic and social mess, with no clue how to get us out.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/2049409-Do-you-think-Labour-DESERVES-to-get-a-majority-in-2015

So whether Ukip voters priorities are the EU, the economy/future prosperity of this country, voting Ukip satisfies ‘none of the above’ criteria but will skew the election result, maybe not to their choice in an ugly contest.

Sorry, but that’s the stark reality of life, the future of this country isn't a game, either Labour or the Conservatives will run the country post 2015.

Morethanpotatoeprints ……what do you mean “Ukip will get in”; be the party that comes first in MEP seats which is expected to be the most expensive ‘protest group in taxpayer history with each on MEP’s £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,580 a month ‘allowance paid into their personal bank accounts?

Or do you mean that Ukip will go from MP’s ‘zero to hero’ getting 326 seats in May 2015 and form a majority government in Westminster?

I think UKIP will get in as everyone I speak to is going to vote for them.
they could well get in as an alternative vote. People are that pissed off with the tories they may well vote for them

Isitmebut: Why do you keep saying that everyone who votes for UKIP is a closet Conservative?