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Conservatives must make a pact with Ukip, Lord Tebbit says

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claig · 14/03/2014 19:57

Is it over?

"The Conservatives must make a seat-swapping "pact" with Ukip if they are to have a chance of winning the next election, a former party chairman has said."

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" He said that Mr Farage had damaged the Conservatives' electoral prospects by winning over traditional Tories who feel they have been "abandoned" by David Cameron.

"It would help if we didn't abuse former Tory voters by attacking Ukip as nutters," he added.

The Conservatives, he said, were at risk of looking like jealous shopkeepers "shouting abuse" at former customers choosing to shop in a newly opened store."

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"Lord Tebbit made his comments as a major study of Ukip suggests that it can mobilise its support it could attract up to 30 per cent of the vote.

The academic study, which analysed the views of 100,000 voters, said support for Ukip was driven not just by Euroscepticism, but also by 'hostility' to immigration and 'intense dissatisfaction' with the three main parties."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10691683/Conservatives-must-make-a-pact-with-Ukip-Lord-Tebbit-says.html

Wise words by Lord Tebbit, but will Call Me Dive take note?

If this wise counsel is ignored, I fear it will require all of the Bullingdon bullshit, the Oxford old flannel and the PPE poppycock it is possible to muster in order to climb out of this hole.

The "revolt of the people" has begun and they can't stop it. They're tearing their hair out, they're going nuts, they know it's over and the people have won!

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Isitmebut · 15/03/2014 02:19

Claig…your little threatening mantras are a cross between the Daleks and The Borg, and about as monotonous; ’the party of the people’ have to have a record of standing on polices benefiting the people across a broad range of issues for many years, currently have serious policies across a broad range of issues AND have at least ONE seat in parliament – Ukip have NONE of the above, but come to think of it, based on their recent record, Labour only have 1 out of 3. Lol

As for as the way this country is governed, polls don’t count, the people only ‘speak’ in the ballot box in May 2015 – as history has shown us time and time again – so may I suggest that you don’t get too carried away about other party leaders until then, especially as Farage has said he will stand down if not successful.

Worry who will want to lead the Ukip "freakshow" (Mrs Farage's words, not mine) from then, when Ukip has stopped the prospects of a Conservative referendum on the EU.

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claig · 15/03/2014 02:15

It wouldn't matter if the Tories said they wanted to leave Europe and copied UKIP's immigration policies, they would still lose because the 'revolt of the people' is not about that.

It is really about " 'intense dissatisfaction' with the three main parties" as the new book on UKIP called 'Revolt on the Right' says. And the dissatisfaction is because many of their policies are essentially the same and that is because they are all the same - they all went to Oxbridge, they all studied PPE, they are all millionaires and they all have rooftop wind turbines. They are divorced from the public, they no longer represent or understand the public.

That is why Gove is reported to have come out

"with attack on 'ridiculous' number of Old Etonians in Cameron's inner circle

Education Secretary said elitism was unlike anything in the developed world"

The battle is now about who represents the people, who is the 'party of the people' and it has all come about due to the rise of UKIP.

Without UKIP, the policy wonks, the PPEs, the think tanks, the so-called "charities" and the rooftop wind turbines would have continued to proliferate.

But their time is up, their game is up, the 'revolt of the people' has upset their apple cart and there is panic in Primrose Hill and Notting Hill.

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claig · 15/03/2014 01:55

'‘the party of the people’ is UKIP, not Labour.

Labour are the party of the policy wonks, the party of the Primrose Hill Mob, the Oxford PPEs, the think tank employees and climate change coordinators - not much different from the Tories, in fact, except that they are the Nottting Hill Mob.

It has recently been reported that Gove would prefer Osborne to Boris as leader, and now the Financial Times has an interview with Gove and it mentions him as a possible leader, even though he says he does not want to be leader.

The Tory elite and the ruling elite are not stupid, they understand the 'revolt of the people' and they know that 'the party of the people' is UKIP and not Labour. They are getting ready for change, they are making plans and new leaders are being discussed. We know it's over and they know it's over.

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Isitmebut · 15/03/2014 01:37

Claig….the key policies the Conservatives in coalition with a left wing party that neither Thatcher or Tebbit ever had to work with, are STILL following the key Conservative policies of the party – they have to, it was proven to work for this country from 1979, and the country went t*ts up when Labour did the opposite to what they found in 1997.

As for the Bullingdon Club, Eaton, or anywhere else they teach you how to rescue an economy, rather than crash one, should only be a problem for The Tooting Popular Front and Citizen Smith, not anyone with half a brain who can see what ‘the party of the people’ did to them, with a stonking great parliamentary majority that probably never went under 100 seats, until 2010.

If those idiots went to the Bullingdon Club or Eaton, you’d have a point, as it is, ‘the brains’ within the current Labour Parliamentary Party are only just WORKING OUT their policies caused the crisis, no wonder in 2010 they didn’t have a clue how to fix their problems without throwing more money at them – and the crack is, there will still be a budget deficit in 2015.

Your view that a probable less than 40% turnout a year before the General Election, on an immigration platform, will make the Conservatives throw out a leader before the General Election who has successfully tackled problems Labour was unable to, indicates to me that you are 'playing with half a deck', yourself.

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claig · 15/03/2014 00:55

Does Gove know it's over too?

"The Tories' man of the people? Michael Gove tries to bring a common touch to the Cabinet with attack on 'ridiculous' number of Old Etonians in Cameron's inner circle

Education Secretary said elitism was unlike anything in the developed world"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581299/Eton-mess-Michael-Gove-attacks-ridiculous-number-wealthy-ministers-Cabinet-claims-exclusive-developed-world.html

The Financial Times, the elite's paper, has an interview with him tomorrow. The Financial Times does not waste its time. Apparently some of their journalists have even asked whether Gove could be the next leader.

"He is the busiest, spikiest, most complex – and by far the most divisive – education secretary in living memory. But is he also a Conservative party leader in the making?"

www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ebe8018c-aa45-11e3-8497-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2vzKo2F3w

I think the Tories will be wiped out by UKIP in the May Euro elections because the "revolt of the people" has begun and it cannot now be stopped, and I think the Tories may then need a new leader quite quickly.

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claig · 14/03/2014 23:33

'Who is Lord Tebbit nowadays, he certainly don’t speak for me'

Of course he doesn't speak for you. He is a real Tory.

He was a real Tory then and he is one of the few remaining real Tories now.

He's not one of these what they call modernisers . He hasn't got a wind turbine on his roof. He's just a real Tory, a man of principle, one of the few remaining Thatcherites left.

He went to a grammar school, not to Eton. He is one of the people, just like a certain Nigel Farage.

Tebbit knows it's over, we know it's over and the Bullingdon Club knows it's over.

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Spinflight · 14/03/2014 23:24

There won't be any pact in my constituency that's for sure.

Isitmebut · 14/03/2014 23:22

“If this wise counsel is ignored, I fear it will require all of the Bullingdon bullshit, the Oxford old flannel and the PPE poppycock it is possible to muster in order to climb out of this hole."

The "revolt of the people" has begun and they can't stop it. They're tearing their hair out, they're going nuts, they know it's over and the people have won”

Jez Claig….you sound like some cheesy third world dictator, broadcasting from somewhere close to Cuba; all that’s missing is the cat stroking and the evil cackle at the end of it.lol

Who is Lord Tebbit nowadays, he certainly don’t speak for me, if Ukip had ANY policies, never mind any a Conservative might identify with, then possibly. So I’ll reiterate a statement I’ve made before; I’d rather chew my own left arm off than ‘enable’ a political party that has gained support by campaigning on people’s fear, with a firm promise to bring the UK out of the EU, which they can’t deliver on.

I’d suggest that Ukip looking to 2015, realising that like six by-elections they might end up being ‘the bridesmaids’ and not get any parliamentary seats, would bite my left arm off for a pact with the Conservatives.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10641910/We-cant-win-any-more-Tories-Ukip-admits.html

Thanks to Mr Miliband siding with the Lib Dems on the NO EU REFERENDUM, only a vote for the Conservatives will provide the people with a say on Europe, and that potentially is a game changer – as a vote FOR THIS LOT, will allow THIS LOT, to let Labour back in power.

“Inside the Ukip 'zoo': Former staffers describe party's bizarre Mayfair HQ where people take their clothes off, bring animals into the office and keep a whiteboard naming people they want to have sex with”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577335/Inside-Ukip-freakshow-Workers-partys-bizarre-HQ.html
“Ukip's new London headquarters is a chaotic environment where workers are sex-obsessed and volunteers frequently leave work early to go to the pub, it was claimed today.”

“Former employees say that the office in Mayfair is often full of workers' pets, while staff regularly take their clothes off and compile lists of people they would like to have sex with.”

“Nigel Farage's wife, who works as a secretary for Ukip, has reportedly described the office - which the party moved in to last year as part of its push to become a major political force - as a 'freakshow'.”

And the loss of an EU referendum may not be the worst consequence of ‘vote Ukip, get Labour’, as Labour will get another chance of finishing the job of taking a growing, business friendly economy in 1997 and turning it into a basket case affecting everyone.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10690363/Labours-manifesto-could-truly-damage-our-economy.html

On a Ukip ‘game of chicken’, with over a year to go, if the Conservatives cannot get this message across and/or if the people still want Labour, then so-be-it.

Unfortunately most of ‘the people’ have to first identify Labour’s incompetence in running the economy before allowing the Conservatives to have a working majority, as in 1979.

Labour’s 2010 electoral cowardice and 2015 re-election plan in not providing the electorate with their own ministerial spending, cuts and increased taxes they promised ensured they would bounce back. So pussy footing around with Ukip now would just be a sideshow, a short term distraction from the inevitable 2015 Labour majority.

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