Why is the coalition making a public spectacle of picking on the poor?

The old manifesto was written by someone who is a current Conservative MEP, so of course it was 'drivel'.

But this person is no longer a Ukipper, he is now a Tory.

"An East of England MEP who wrote UKIP’s manifesto for the last general election has been branded an “ idiot ” by party leader Nigel Farage.

David Campbell Bannerman, who has since defected to the Tories, was behind the 2010 document Mr Farage condemned by as “drivel”.

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/East-of-England-MEP-David-Campbell-Bannerman-branded-idiot-by-UKIP-leader-Nigel-Farage-for-writing-drivel-election-manifesto-20140125085509.htm

Claig…..so you stand for taking the poor out of tax, which the coalition has done up to £10,000 gradually to this year AND with a several hundred thousand on waiting list for social housing for several years, Ukip agree with Labour it is better to have those with spare council bedrooms keep them, than have families with severe overcrowding, be allowed to move into those spare rooms, no doubt in the spirit of ‘fairness’.

This is a summary of ‘Blue’ Ukip’s 2010 general election manifesto you can no longer find on your website, when you were after Conservative votes - not too much for the poor here under ‘welfare’ and ‘families’, so what do you need to do to appeal to ‘Red’ Ukip and the ‘working mans’ vote – you need to hide/disown it
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

So while the Conservatives and Labour Party ‘trimmed’ their past manifestos, Ukip disowned the whole lot and took it off their website so that could opportunistically oppose everything the other 3 said. Only the Lib Dems came out of this well.

www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review.”

news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel
"UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”

So as it is a 2015 afterthought for electoral gain, please, no lectures from Ukip on standing up for the poor, or having the national front to point failing established parties, when you had no answers yourselves.

Spin linked to 'what ukip stands for', not me.

But as you seem to be unsure of what UKIP stands for, a few differences from other parties are

straight talking, common sense, independence, party of the people

The Bullingdon Club don't like UKIP, and that's just the way we like it.

'This thread is about 'the poor', could you please tell us what Ukip stands for there, and what policies they have that are 'different' to the other main parties?'

1. Scrap the Tory bedroom tax
2. Raise the income tax threshold

But I am still waiting for the updated manifesto which will appear nearer to the election. The last manifesto was too long and some of it was a bit too loose.

Claig....thank you for "what Ukip stands for" wheeled out for their conference at the end of this week - and I can't fault that timing, as it gives you all something to talk about in the pub afterwards.

This thread is about 'the poor', could you please tell us what Ukip stands for there, and what policies they have that are 'different' to the other main parties?

I must admit I have come to the same conclusion

lol it is all hackneyed rubbish, the whole lot

Sorry, I am joking, implying that the Tory manifesto is full of "hackneyed rubbish"

Your meaning is a bit ambiguous Claig

Where does this "hackneyd rubbish" come from? Is it the Tory manifesto?

" that is such hackneyed rubbish sorry"

Sure is

Most people enjoy how the food, music, and art from other countries, and cultures have made the UK a more enriched and interesting place
that is such hackneyed rubbish sorry

www.ukip.org/issues/policy-pages/what-we-stand-for

Spin....nice speech, but no policies of your own to even indicate you have an alternative anything.

It certainly puts the U-kipper, into when voters are being 'done up like one'.

"Well, that's your problem. Most people don't want to return to the Victorian age and know that multi-culturalism enriches a country. Most people enjoy how the food, music, and art from other countries, and cultures have made the UK a more enriched and interesting place."

And how enriched we have been! So enriched that the vast majority of people list immigration as their top concern!

Of course our elected scumbags from the old, failed, parties have decided that they deserve an 11% pay rise to reward themselves for the seemingly endless enrichment they have bestowed upon a country which never asked, and was never asked, for it.

It certainly is our problem though. You are correct there. The mung bean eating luvvies in Chipping Norton won't be affected. Neither will our elected scumbags. Nor that bastion of free speech, the press, who all appear to live on the same street in Islington.

Indeed, those who appear to have gobs bigger than their intellects always seem to have one thing in common. It doesn't affect them adversely. The chairman of ICI isn't going to lose his job to an eastern european, nor the trough grovelling MP or for that matter the opinion writer for the BBC.

They cite the benefits assuming that everyone enjoys paying a quid less per hour for their second nanny. Or that their gardener is rather a good looking chap who cleans the Merc so much better than that scruffy yoof from the council estate. Didn't you know that the plebs had dirty hospital toilets before we allowed 5 million extra people in? And Rupert's stock portfolio is doing rather well - he even voted for the enhanced directors renumeration package in admiration...

It certainly puts the champagne in champagne socialism and the serve in conservative.

Ha ha ha…so when a socialist Labour government in times of plenty totally screws up constantly by design over 13-years, they are “the same as the neo liberal rest”. But when a Conservative led coalition tries to fix Labour’s betrayal of the working classes, by implementing polices Labour knew had to be done, but were more concerned on seat ‘damage limitations’ in 2010 – it is they that are the “scum”, so it IS true, denial is in your DNA.

“The party may take the moral high ground, but lying and cheating are deep in its DNA”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10462871/Its-no-coincidence-the-MPs-found-guilty-of-fiddling-are-all-Labour.html
“But one puzzling question remains. Why is it that only Labour MPs have been found guilty of expenses fraud as a result of the Telegraph revelations?”

“It is especially perplexing because the party in general strongly feels itself to be the embodiment of decency and morality. Indeed Labour has always insisted that the Conservatives are the party of venality, greed and selfishness. How baffling it is, then, that only Labour MPs have been sent to jail as a result of the Telegraph revelations.”

“Paradoxically, I believe that it is Labour’s belief in its own higher morality – what Bertrand Russell called the “superior virtue of the oppressed” – that has led to its downfall. Our two major political parties have emerged from rival philosophical traditions. Labour hails from the progressive school, which is fundamentally optimistic about human nature, but believes that our humanity is thwarted and twisted by social institutions. Conservatives are the opposite. They are pessimistic about human nature, and believe that life can only be conducted within the framework of existing institutions and the rule of law.”

Cutting through the ideological crap, come 2015 there are only two main choices, the Red team who handed over economic and social basket cases in 1979 and 2010, or the BLUE team that tries their best to turn it around, implementing reforms the REDS were not brave enough to do themselves.

ttosca

Immigrants:

a) Are net contributors to the economy.

Until they have kids or get old.

b) Claim less in benefits than the native population.

Until they get have kids or get old.

c) Immeasurably add to the UK's cultural richness and diversity.

boak A little bit of sick came up then.

A communist like you should be ashamed of supporting mass immigration. Anyone who truly cares about the working class would oppose it. But I suppose that's middle class leftism for you.

ttosca...I gave up on your 'killing' rollocks on the NHS pledge, Labour refused to protect the NHS budget in England even after lumping it with Private Finance Initiative 30-years of demands on the annual budget, they cut it in wales and services declined - no lectures there please.

As for Labour winning the next general election, I agree with you, by loading the boundaries so they only need 35% of the vote for a decent majority AND cynically not attempting to fix their own problems, their plan has worked. How brave of them, how sad for this country.

The founder of one of the country’s leading food banks declared yesterday that soaring demand for the free handouts has nothing to do with benefit cuts.

Robin Aitken spoke out the day after 27 Anglican bishops claimed that benefit cuts had led to many going hungry, and that as a result 500,000 people have used food banks since last Easter.

The bishops and 42 clergymen, supported by Archbishop of Canterbury the Most Reverend Justin Welby, said that more than half the people using food banks had been put in that position by welfare cutbacks or failures in the benefits system.

But Mr Aitken said there was no evidence to back such a claim

He said: ‘If you provide a service, people will use it.
‘They will go and get good food. Of course they will.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565315/Soaring-demand-free-handouts-benefit-cuts-says-food-bank-founder.html

Look at the percentage increases of use of Food Banks under Labour as the recession they caused BEGAN to bite – clearly few lost their jobs in 2007/8 and the longer it went on, the more that were laid off or exhausted their savings.

• 2008-09: 26,000
• 2009-10: 41,000
• 2010-11: 61,468

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19953938

Totally agree ttosca - the whole thing make me feel sick

My DH is currently spending his time at work taking people to foodbanks. Contrary to what some tories like to believe, they are for the most part mortified that they need to rely on foodbanks to feed themselves and their families. It's really desperate for many people out there..

Ttosca…..I am just adding balance to your relentless, but inaccurate attempts, to show that the coalition is pursuing some kind of class war - when if New Labour had not caused, OR AT LEAST ATTEMPTED TO FIX their own pre 2007 policy mistakes, 3-years into their financial crash – the coalition wouldn’t have HAD to make their own reforms

And playing the old New Labour ‘race card’ that slapped down anyone mentioning economic migration post 2004 as ‘racist’, is beneath contempt as this was a left wing plot that would also increase Labour’s voter base – and you lot should be apologising to both the coalition and the poorest in society for what you have done, not keep sniping 1970’s style to clear your own social conscience.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354713/BBC-chief-admits-We-deep-liberal-bias-migrants--changed.html

www.thecommentator.com/article/1953/exclusive_bbc_left_wing_political_bias_illustrated_through_uk_political_funding_revelations

You keep telling yourself that OUR domestic social wellbeing was helped by 1.5 to 2. Million economic migrants, that needed somewhere to live and are entitled to use our services. i.e. NHS and education.

You lefties rattling off deflected blame are morally corrupt, you have the ignorance on virtually every post to call the Conservatives “scum”, when totally overlooking the mess Labour didn’t attempt to fix.

If the Conservative had taken a well balanced, uninterrupted growing economy for 26 quarters and screwed the poorest in society as Labour did from 1997, I would be on boards like this shouting about their incompetence, not criticising those trying to fix it as being ideologically driven - there by default, trying to bring those that were economically and socially incompetent, back in power in 2015.