Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

The Hammaconda…I mentioned the Winter of Discontent, as similar to 2010, it shows what the Conservatives inherited. I find it intellectually amazing the complete ignorance of people that do not understand what the Tories inherit, completely shapes their early policies and any fiscal comparisons e.g. lower and raise taxes when can –especially as in correcting huge social and economic problems, by definition they will be unpopular.

Perhaps you should mention that when you post. Better still give the position of the economic fundamentals in 1979 rather than linking to Wikipedia.

On that note, re your question what would the Conservatives had done in the late 1970’s differently, the answer to those problems were Thatcher.

I ask a rhetorical question and your answer is: Thatcher. I'm going assume you mean the Conservative government would have enacted wide spread supply side reforms. I don't believe they would have been able to. The WoD legitimised many of Thatcher's policies.

^I suggest you check on the “global cost-push inflation”, Corporate Tax rates and industrial relations of Japan and Germany, our main competitors back then, as I believe they did not have our problems and on most components of Productivity, we really was the sick man of Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe^
“Throughout the 1970s, the United Kingdom was sometimes called the "sick man of Europe" by critics of its government at home, because of industrial strife and poor economic performance compared to other European countries,[10] culminating with the Winter of Discontent of 1978–1979.

You realise you're not actually making a point here, don't you? Are you trying to make a point about a lack of international competitiveness arising from low levels of labour productivity? If so, say that. Make your point explicit. Labour productivity in the UK was (and is) lower than Germany. The sources of low productivity are numerous, it's fatuous to imply that they're caused by union activity. IIRC wages were higher in W. Germany and capital investment rates were significantly higher.

But again, re your Conservative ‘problems’ in 1997, you are in comparison with Labour’s last administration, knit picking from a tremendous record, having inherited a basket case.

Are you seriously suggesting that nothing was wrong in the 1992-1997 government?

Sorry for the thread derailment...

"vote for independence and a populist party that puts the people first and the metroploitan elite and their masters second."

Sorry claig, but this is impossible in our current system. Getting elected as an MP - let alone getting enough MPs elected to form a government - requires huge amounts of money and contacts.

Now if you want to propose a revolution, I'll listen, but UKIP are just more of the same. Only worse, because they're not tempering their populism with any sense of how the world actually works.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that Nigel Farage is some sort of man of the people; because he drinks pints in pubs? That's not a massive feat, I can manage it myself when I get a babysitter...

So in comparison, lets compare New Labour’s record that BEGAN with the best inherited legacy, since god knows when – and you have the front to tell me that this was by design NOT social and economic vandalism...

This makes no sense. Are you trying to say that this "best inherited legacy" was achieved by "social and economic vandalism"? Or that Labour got this "inheritance" as a result of "social and economic vandalism"? WTF is "social and economic vandalism"?

– making your Ukip gripes against the Conservatives, look rather stupid, bearing mind only the Conservatives or Labour Party will form the next administration in 2015.

I'm not a UKIP supporter. I wouldn't vote for them even if they put a candidate forward in my EP consituency.

It's not exactly news that FPTP will deliver a Labour majority of +/-100 seats. UKIP are forecast to achieve around 15% of the vote.

Labour were the most spun media controlled and corrupt administration in living memory with ‘Blairs cash for Lordships’

Yes, it's disgusting how venal politicians can be.

investigated by the police

As were donations to the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties.

and MP expenses totally out of hand on THEIR watch.

Yes, blame the government for individual MPs claiming their duck houses, moat cleaning, husband's porn. It's not the MPs' fault at all.

and Labour’s Parliament Speaker Michael Martin running the show, Knighted for his services to MP’s expenses.

He wasn't knighted. He was made a life peer as all former speakers are. His elevation to the Lords was a formality.

Pro EU without trusting the people to vote

And, what's the problem?

… pro swing door immigration from 2004

One of the key provisions of the European Union is freedom of movement of citizens.

No government could have prevented people from within the EU from coming to the United Kingdom. Restrictions were placed on access to the labour markets for workers from the A8 countries. Most of this movement was from temporary workers rather than immigrants (only 12% of those coming from the A8 nations intended to stay for more than 12 months). There is no credible evidence that A10 migration has had any impact on unemployment and only a marginal impact on wages. (See Blanchflower & Lawton)

for personal gain

How have the LP gained personally from 'swing'[ing] door immigration? How can a politcal party gain anything 'personally'?

AND without increasing home building to make room

Between 1997 and 2010 over 2 million new homes were built (admittedly less than 1% were LA properties).

pro dumbed down education results

Grade inflation is a problem in the UK, IME this is down to competition between the examination boards rather than an edict from on high.

to make the thick feel better rather than raise standards

Are you aware of what a ridiculous and insulting statement that is?

…pro needless laws

Such as?

/police State

???

… pro Human Rights Act in 1998 causing so many ‘rights’ problems.

WTF are 'rights' problems? So the codification and legal protection of an individual's human rights is a problem?

Pro killer germ infested NHS hospitals

I'm afraid I don't know where to find information about the rates of hospital acquired infections under Lab/Con governments. I would certainly agree that there was an increase in media stories about HAIs during the Labour government. I'm fairly confident however that the DoH spokespeople were not bigging up the 'pro killer germ-infested hospital' side of the story.

hiring more managers than nurses

Evidence please

.. pro saddling hospital with 25-year Private Finance Initiative debts

PFI was first used in 1992, John Major was the first Chancellor of the Exchequer to use it.

….pro 24-hour drinking, gambling and declassifying drugs

Yes, large social costs arising from this.

….pro expensive quangos costing over £70 bil a year to run

Cost of QUANGOs less than £70bil pa. 10% reduction in QUANGOs between 1997 and 2010.

.. pro expensive to run local government (with non jobs) leading to Council Tax hikes up 110% on their watch..

Yes, there was a nominal 110% increase in CT, but closer to a 40% real term increase on average.

Pro raiding private pension funds from 1998

Do you mean the 'tax raid' on pensions?

to near final salary extinction

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

...pro screwing state pensioners with derisory annual State pension e.g. 75p in 2000

….pro raising the lower band tax rate to screw the poor in 2007

This should not have happened

…pro sale of 40% of UK gold reserves under $300 an ounce versus $1.900 high

Unless we're going back to a gold backed currency there's no need to hold gold reserves. I'm not sure how he was supposed to foresee the global financial crisis which caused massive hedging, forcing the price of gold up to $1,900 per oz. It's not like that $3.5billion (?) wasn't reinvested in other assets. Gold earns no interest.

Fascinating fact re gold reserves (not at all related to the above point :) ). The BoE is built on clay soil, there's actually a physical limit on how much the vaults can hold before it starts sinking.

pro relaxation of banking regulation to dangerous levels pre financial crash

Yes, as it turns out it was a monumentally huge mistake. Didn't meet much opposition from the Shadow Chancellor though.

pro sending 1 million of our manufacturing jobs elsewhere by 2005 BEFORE the crash

From The Guardian

'In a special report, the Ernst & Young Item Club said British factories had missed the chance to exploit the recent strength of the global economy by permitting excessive wage inflation in the late 1990s.

"UK manufacturers have been suffering," said Peter Spencer, chief economic adviser to the Item Club. "This is partly the result of Labour's fiscal expansion, which has kept interest rates and the exchange rate relatively high.'

Pro lying to go to war and without equipping soldiers with basic kit and helicopters

Shameful, I don't think anyone other than Mr A. Blair would disagree with you there.

pro nuclear energy to stop lights going off in 2015, but didn’t get around to building any

Agreed

pro defence/Trident, who knows, let someone else get around to it

Agreed

and leaving us less domestic food production secure than in 1997.
Food security has fallen since 1988, it's not just down to Labour. It's not an efficient use of resources to concentrate on food production. The UK should devote resources to the areas in which it has a comparative advantage. This will require a greater degree of food imports. At present the UK is 60% self-sufficient. (Soil Association).

With a balanced budget in 2002/3 having adopted 1997 Tory spending plans,

They pledged to follow Conservative spending plans for the first four years of any term. In reality there were unexpected departmental underspends. Real term increases in fuel and tobacco duty; fiscal drag; some budgetary changes, and higher than anticipated economic growth, there resulting in fiscal resulted in a budget surplus in 2000/01.

pro ANNUAL budget deficit MORE than £160 bil a year in 2010 and national debt of £1.5 trillion by 2015 needing unpopular austerity

To fund spending to boost aggregate demand

or go the way of bankrupt Greece

You're just being dramatic now

pro equality but left power in 2010 with more inequality than in 1997

Very vague. What kind of equality do you mean?

and finally as mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, pro increased taxes to pay for ALL their incompetence (that will then kill economic growth)

Oh yes, that chestnut. Global financial crisis caused by the incompetence of one government. Also, taxes cause economic growth to fall .

they never got around to telling us about in any detail, but like death, you know it is coming.

And you say the Conservatives had national scandals? Yeah right.^

By the way, Switzerland is not a member of the EU as I suspect you know. The EU is pissed off because they are ditching their side of a reciprocal agreement, which buggers the whole thing up.

There's no need to go misrepresenting things by taking quotes completely out of context, you're not the Daily Mail

'Democratic controls', yeah right.

So you'd be happy for a party that got 40% of the vote, with a comfortable majority of seats, doing whatever they wanted? Putting tracker boxes in everyone's cars maybe? Monitoring everyone's Internet and phone calls? Maybe making you ask for permission to leave the country, in case you're up to something?

Because they have a democratic mandate, right? And you want to be safe from terrorists, right? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, don't forget.

And if you took away those international protections, there'd be no-one to appeal to, you'll just have to lump it.

The Hammaconda…I mentioned the Winter of Discontent, as similar to 2010, it shows what the Conservatives inherited. I find it intellectually amazing the complete ignorance of people that do not understand what the Tories inherit, completely shapes their early policies and any fiscal comparisons e.g. lower and raise taxes when can –especially as in correcting huge social and economic problems, by definition they will be unpopular.

On that note, re your question what would the Conservatives had done in the late 1970’s differently, the answer to those problems were Thatcher. I suggest you check on the “global cost-push inflation”, Corporate Tax rates and industrial relations of Japan and Germany, our main competitors back then, as I believe they did not have our problems and on most components of Productivity, we really was the sick man of Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe
“Throughout the 1970s, the United Kingdom was sometimes called the "sick man of Europe" by critics of its government at home, because of industrial strife and poor economic performance compared to other European countries,[10] culminating with the Winter of Discontent of 1978–1979.”

But again, re your Conservative ‘problems’ in 1997, you are in comparison with Labour’s last administration, knit picking from a tremendous record, having inherited a basket case.

So in comparison, lets compare New Labour’s record that BEGAN with the best inherited legacy, since god knows when – and you have the front to tell me that this was by design NOT social and economic vandalism – making your Ukip gripes against the Conservatives, look rather stupid, bearing mind only the Conservatives or Labour Party will form the next administration in 2015.

In Summary.

Labour were the most spun media controlled and corrupt administration in living memory with ‘Blairs cash for Lordships’ investigated by the police and MP expenses totally out of hand on THEIR watch and Labour’s Parliament Speaker Michael Martin running the show, Knighted for his services to MP’s expenses.

Pro EU without trusting the people to vote… pro swing door immigration from 2004 for personal gain AND without increasing home building to make room …with 580,000 under 25-year olds here already unemployed... pro dumbed down education results to make the thick feel better rather than raise standards…pro needless laws/police State… pro Human Rights Act in 1998 causing so many ‘rights’ problems.

Pro killer germ infested NHS hospitals hiring more managers than nurses.. pro saddling hospital with 25-year Private Finance Initiative debts….pro 24-hour drinking, gambling and declassifying drugs….pro expensive quangos costing over £70 bil a year to run.. pro expensive to run local government (with non jobs) leading to Council Tax hikes up 110% on their watch..

Pro raiding private pension funds from 1998 to near final salary extinction...pro screwing state pensioners with derisory annual State pension e.g. 75p in 2000….pro raising the lower band tax rate to screw the poor in 2007…pro sale of 40% of UK gold reserves under $300 an ounce versus $1.900 high…..pro relaxation of banking regulation to dangerous levels pre financial crash..…pro sending 1 million of our manufacturing jobs elsewhere by 2005 BEFORE the crash

Pro lying to go to war and without equipping soldiers with basic kit and helicopters... ….pro nuclear energy to stop lights going off in 2015, but didn’t get around to building any.…pro defence/Trident, who knows, let someone else get around to it….and leaving us less domestic food production secure than in 1997.

With a balanced budget in 2002/3 having adopted 1997 Tory spending plans, pro ANNUAL budget deficit MORE than £160 bil a year in 2010 and national debt of £1.5 trillion by 2015 needing unpopular austerity, or go the way of bankrupt Greece…….pro equality but left power in 2010 with more inequality than in 1997…and finally as mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, pro increased taxes to pay for ALL their incompetence (that will then kill economic growth), they never got around to telling us about in any detail, but like death, you know it is coming.

And you say the Conservatives had national scandals? Yeah right.

Hammaconda, judging by the posts upthread, I wouldn't imagine potential ukip voters will be putting their policies under a huge amount of scrutiny...

claig, you seriously support withdrawing all those Human Rights protections? With all your schtick about the little guy versus the power of the state and the metropolitan elite and the bbc and all the rest of it... you think what the man in the street needs is less protection from the powers that be?

Lord Ashcroft's analysis of the 2010 election is quite an interesting read. I think the Conservatives are, electorally, in a very difficult position. IMHO they need to attract votes from the right and the centre to win a majority. I don't see how they can tread this path.

UKIP had/ have the luxury of being able to produce a populist manifesto. Probably less so in 2015 as I would imagine there will be a greater degree of scrutiny of their policies.

I will never, ever be able to forget several things about the 1997 election:

1. The arms to Iraq/ Matrix Churchill case. In particular the Scott Inquiry (was that what it was called) summation of the govt's POV: ‘We know what is good for you. You may not like it and, if you were made aware of it, you might protest, but we know what is best.’ I cannot, and never will, forget the absolute disgust I felt for a government that could sell arms to a vicious and tyrannical dictator after signing a UN embargo and then engage in such a mendacious campaign of arse covering.
2. Accompanying a friend on a university visit to Roehampton and seeing a man dressed as a toe. IIRC he was standing as an independent candidate against David Mellor. This really summed up for me how sick and tired people were of Tory sleaze, especially after the whole Back to Basics campaign.
3. The division over Europe and the sense that, if Major couldn't manage his own party, how the hell would he manage the whole country.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up the WoD. I don't remember it (as I was a baby) and haven't read a huge amount about it. Obviously I'm aware of the OPEC crises in the 1970s, of inflation reaching 25% in 1975, of workers taking voluntary pay freezes for several (3?) years and then being told in 1978 (?) that the govt were going to introduce an income policy limiting pay increases to 5% against a rate of inflation of +/-20%. But, AFAIA, this occured against a backdrop of global cost-push inflation, I don't know what a Conservative govt would have done differently.

There's an interesting IFS review of Labour spending from 1997 - 2010 in which they compare Labour's fiscal management to the Conservative Party's record. I haven't read it for a while but I do remember being quite surprised by some of the points.

TheHammaconda…you make some good points on the failure of the Conservatives to get their message(s) across in 2010, but by and large, few people were listening (or reacting negatively) to the Conservatives on their core (unpopular) values e.g. getting the £158 bil annual overspend in control – and Labour dishonestly did not want to fight a 2010 election detailing their ‘fewer cuts, higher taxes’ promise.

In 2005, the Conservative bullet pointed several key issues within their manifesto as key policies, that did not get better under Labour e.g. ‘control (Labour's open door) immigration’, but who cared, remembered or bothered to vote at all.

Don’t also forget the extra Labour voices via the likes of huge parliamentary majorities from 1997 to 2010, a spin machine via Mandelson, Campbell, McBride and for the many years the briefed newspapers and BBC gives Labour such a huge benefit of any doubt, drowned out the Conservatives. Especially as Brown was taking the credit for the economy he inherited, low GLOBAL inflation and interest rates, booming home prices and throwing huge amounts of taxpayers money on (unreformed) services and benefits.

So the Conservatives in 2010, rightly had to attack Labour’s record - as unlike Ukip who issued an extreme manifesto/policy list (Farage now calls “drivel”) and was never going to get into power – Cameron had to explain in detail how they would turn around Labour’s incompetence on virtually every policy/issue. Many voters don’t find repairing the basics interesting, especially if they’re unaware how bad an economic and social situation we were in; enter an opportunist Ukip, no chance of government, just telling people what they want to hear, then and now.

As 1997 and the ‘heinous’ reasons you give (that I could pick holes in) for the Conservatives losing power by a landslide – Labour won 418 seats, the decimated Conservatives (lost 178 seats) only then held 165 seats – Labour did far worse than that over their whole administration and still held over 100 seat majorities for elections to come, based on luck and spending mentioned further above.

So any view that it was the Conservative policies in 1997, rather than false New Labour hopes that resulted in the huge swing to Labour is pure electoral ignorance, especially when ANYONE compares the economic and social conditions BELOW, when the Conservatives came to power.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent
The Labour Callaghan’s ‘Winter of Discontent’ in the winter of 1978/9, when the Trade Unions challenged governments with wildcat strikes i.e. mountains of rubbish on the streets and bodies left unburied?
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

So, the Conservatives lost power in 1997 because people had forgotten how crap Labour were in the 1970s?

So, nothing to do with sleaze, arms to Iraq, cash for questions, splits over Europe (exploited by the Referendum Party and Independence party), a weak and pathetic response to adopting the single currency, Victorian values, the abandonment of the IRA ceasefire in 1996, the ERM and/ or BSE then?

Don't forget, the Conservatives had a minority government by 1996.

I'd say the Conservatives did not win a majority in 2010 was that their message wasn't clear enough and they didn't campaign on certain issues for fear of looking like the nasty party. People didn't have the foggiest what the BIG society was, they didn't understand how free schools would work, NHS reforms were not clearly communicated. They didn't campaign on immigration, they spent too long attacking Labour rather than reassuring voters why they should trust them. Is it any wonder why people felt they couldn't vote Conservative in 2010? They didn't feel like they knew what they were voting for so they looked for a clearer message. Don't try and hold UKIP responsible for the Conservative's cock ups.

Pendeen….I’m not quite sure what percentages of a pitiful decline in the UK voting turnout figures tells anyone – but look at the 2010 General Election map on the link below (total voter 65% turnout versus 61% in 2005), the Conservative are THE political party of England.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010

In most of the other constituencies in England, Scotland and Wales, it would not matter how the Conservatives did with the economy or anything else, the Labour Party and their failed ideology of fat, expensive State and anti business declining private sector to pay for it, could issue a dictate to take everyone’s first born and the parents would STILL vote Labour.

Labour voters don’t examine their own party’s record too much, plus voters get bombarded with lies on the consequences of Labours administrations/policies AND lies on a made up class system when they have Labour have no coherent policies of their own – just look at ttoscas and others comments on this board, which don’t stand up under even under basic scrutiny and factual history.

The Conservatives as you point out, held office from 1979 to 1997 as voters (non core Labour voters) remembered both the state of the economy and what else they inherited from Labour in 1979, but by 1997 were probably getting a bit stale – and as the economy back then was fine, Blair & Brown promised New Labour was nothing like Old Labour, they were given the benefit of the doubt.

The only reason there was no Tory majority in 2010, apart from under (a total) of 30,000 Ukip votes over 20 key constituencies, was that New Labour 3-years after the crash they presided over, did not have the guts/honesty to detail what in order to keep their bit fat State, what else they would cut AND increase taxes to pay for it.

No State funeral for Brown, unless Blair sells his nine properties and uses his JP Morgan fees to pay for it, in Scotland.

"The Consevatives in 1979 took over a broken country and in 1997 left the fastest growing economy in Europe, having seen around 26 consecutive quarters of GDP growth."

"In 2010 they were handed ANOTHER broken economy, not the one they handed over, the worse structurally and in terms of debt since the 1930’s recession, took tough decisions and AGAIN it is the fastest growing economy in Europe."

Where is the 'falling about with laughter' smiley?

No, the Tories didn't "take over" anything.

In 1979 they were voted in by a minority of the (voting) electorate (45%) and then voted out in 1997 when Labour gained power - by a minority (43%).

They were not "handed" anything four years ago, as they had an even smaller share (36%) and thus had to be propped up by the Limp Dems. All this, when only 3/5ths of the electorate bothered to vote at all!

The Tory party have nothing to congratulate themselves for and they certainly do not have the support of the majority of the British electorate.

I say Tory scum because I believe them to be utter psychopaths who are interested only in making themselves and their paymasters richer, and it doesn't matter how many lives they destroy or people they kill in the process.

Re Real wages, as the BoE stated, they began falling from 2007, we are in the worst recession for 80-years, show me a recession real wages didn't fall in any recession.

Yes, they began to fall due to the financial crisis. Since then, it is political and economic policy which decides who picks up the pieces for the results of having an economy basde on disastrous gangster Capitalism. Late 2007 was almost 7 years ago. If the government had any concern whatsoever about the welfare of the 95% of the British public, they would not enact social and economy policies which are making them devastated.

Workfare, for example, pushes down wages for everybody since employers can get workers for free. The Bedroom tax and the increase in VAT, for example, has seen the majority of the public including some of the most vulnerable paying more out of their pocket for common goods and to put a roof over their heads.

These are just a few of the policies which have contributed to the huge increase in homelessness and fuel and food poverty and the Coalition.

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I notice for the second time that you actually ignore most of what I wrote and re-iterate what you said previously.

I don't give a crap about 'output' or what New Labour did, for that matter. GDP is a bourgeois economic figure which bares little relation to how well the average household is faring.

Ttosca...the fact you say rudely "Tory scum" means I will always show the incompetence of New Labour's policies implemented through a boom, before the money went, and then some.

Re Real wages, as the BoE stated, they began falling from 2007, we are in the worst recession for 80-years, show me a recession real wages didn't fall in any recession.

FYI Here is a snapshot of the most recent unemployment date – note the ‘has not been seen in 17-years” comment – well that goes back to 1997 when the Conservatives handed over to New Labour the fastest growing economy in Europe, that had grown slowly from the early 1990’s western recession, for around 26 consecutive GDP quarters.

So far the coalition has yet to regain all the lost New Labour GDP output from around 2008 - never mind all the manufacturing jobs they lost by 2005, but is currently on track to do so.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25841570

*“Hugh PymChief economics correspondent, BBC News
Even with a growing economy, these figures from the labour market exceeded all expectations.

A fall of 167,000 in the unemployment level over three months hasn't been seen in 17 years. An unemployment rate of 7.1% has not been registered since early 2009.

It is clear that the British economy is creating jobs at a much faster rate than most analysts had predicted.”*

Isitme-

I'm not sure why you bring Labour in to every conversation about the Tory scum. Labour are yet another business party, as far as I'm concerned.

Re employment figures:

If anything, the figures are likely to be worse, as the growth of Workfare non-jobs (not counted as unemployed) have increased considerably.

Meanwhile, the last few years the UK public's real wages have fallen considerably -- the largest fall in the last 50 years, says the Office of National Statistics:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25977678

So you're advised not to throw around abstract figures which bare little or no relation to the real world conditions people are experiencing, thanks to the government's exploitation of the financial crisis to enact neo-liberal policies which attack working people's rights and transfer wealth from public in to private hands.

ttosca….re your post above your last; forgetting your inaccurate link for a moment, who are the right people for the job of getting jobs, Labour who handed over nearly 1 million unemployed under 24-year olds, a trend that accelerated from 2004 thanks to their immigration policy or the Labour that lost 1 million manufacturing jobs by 2005, during a low interest/inflation rate environment - and a global consumption boom?
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

And as part of Labours ‘tax the economy to growth’, pre 2010 they included in budgets increases in National Insurance (a tax on jobs) to come in AFTER the election, as the precursor to more taxes businesses KNEW would come, from Old Labour’s ideology for supporting the big State.

By your measurements, I’d guess that makes New or Old Labour, ‘incompetent scum’, as they don’t have a clue too grow private sector jobs, only 100% tax funded public sector ones – similar to Greece’s business model really.

P.S. Re your New Statesman link, do you have something a little more current than -May 2013-, to reflect the recent spurt in monthly increases in BROADER BASED employment, thanks to the coalitions policies from day 1 of instead of taxing the private sector investment/jobs, they would REDUCE taxes to create jobs.

Only the threat of incompetent ‘tax high, spend badly’ Labour in 2015, will kill this recovery. Remember when Labour lost power Corporate tax was a penal 50% and not low 20%’s, businesses do.

P.P.S. Looking at that domain above, “Beastrabban” I’m not even going to bother opening it, but I’m guessing that it’s half-wit socialist website – so try finding credible links/qualifications to the mistruths you post, and I’ll read it.

Welfare to work companies could end up earning more taxpayer cash by placing people into unpaid community workfare than into work, under the government’s latest scheme for the unemployed. The companies could even profit from recruiting the unpaid workers themselves.

beastrabban.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/private-eye-on-workfare-exploitation-nice-little-earner/

Isitmebut-

Similar for the economy, as if you think that all the 1.4 million new jobs since 2010 were given to the ‘super rich’, or that the Private Sector pays for the Public Sector

The employment figures are completely misleading. It's not the first time the Tory scum have been called out on their bogus statistics:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/duncan-smith-rebuked-ons-misuse-benefit-statistics

The employment figures now don't include people who have not been able to find work over a long period of time.

They do include the hundreds of thousands of people who have shifted from full-time work to part-time work, because there aren't enough jobs to go around.

They also include the tens of thousands of people who are on the completely immoral Workfare programs, where the unemployed are forced to work for free, thus further disincetivizing employers from hiring and pushing down wages for everyone. Workfare slaves are now counted as 'employed' by this nasty government.

In short, you're full of it. And the nasty party you've been hired to defend won't be in power much longer.

Spin....or just total political/historical ignorance. As mentioned elsewhere, THESE are the Conservative core COUNTRY WIDE policies that gave Labour an excellent economic inheritance, to wreck - by mainly going in the opposite direction - hence the distinct choices at the next general election.

“On Tory policies, silly micro issues just prove Ukip posters ignorance of BIG PICTURE stuff that defines a successful country. "Personal income tax rates in 1979 started at 32p, then 68p I believe. Tax on unearned income (from investments) was 90 odd % and should any business manage to make a profit in the pre Thatcher economic death spiral of 20% inflation/wages, the Corporate Tax Rate was 50% - and all these come down over Conservative administrations to stimulate MORE tax growth, so they are the PROVEN party of lower taxes for all.*

Re the taxes for the rich, they are paying MORE under the Coalition, than Labour in 2010 OR Ukip, who proposed a Flat rate income tax and national Insurance of 32p, to help the oil traders of the world. The raising of top rate tax to 50p after 13-years in office by Labour, they budgeted would bring in £4-5 billion, brought in £100 million – and as one of the highest rates in the world, discouraged inward investment who’s company decision makers would have to pay it.

As for the size of the tax sapping State, which should be around 40% of any country’s economy but became 54% under Labour, the Tories from Thatcher on have believed it should be as big as it NEEDS to be – so ‘the people’ keep more of their own earnings in order to save or afford their own choices e.g. private pensions.

Conservative administration records show, they are PRO lower taxes & increased savings and ANTI uncontrolled public sector hiring (1 million from 1997 to 2010) anti uncontrolled/unsustainable rising benefits through a boom in employment, anti uncontrolled immigration, anti dumbing down childrens education, anti 90% of police at any time sitting on bums in stations, anti C.Diff germs in hospitals, anti annually living beyond this countries means, anti National debt and anti socialist politicians who believed in ALL of the above.

Those basic economic building blocks, proven to grow an economy, is what Conservative politicians have proven whilst in office, and that clearly uniformed Ukip ‘members’ ridiculously call ‘letting the nation down’, while without even one seat in Westminster, amateurishly and opportunistically, flip flopping policies to pretend they are an ‘alternative’ to Conservative success stories.

Look, I don’t agree with everything the Tories do, BUT IN REALITY, come 2015 either the Labour Party or Conservative Party will form the next government, and if people chose to vote Ukip and let in Labour, then so be it – but they should remember than in 2010, unlike 1979, no one saw where tax rates were going to go to fund fat government and ever growing benefits etc, Labour despicably chose to hide the increase taxes (and some cuts) they promised in their 2010 manifesto.”

Never heard of him either, but David Cameron has...

order-order.com/2014/02/04/leaked-emails-reveal-ukip-kidnapper-is-tory-membernewnight-scoop-missed-pm-welcoming-bhutto-to-the-party/

Even wrote him a personal letter!

"left an excellent economy for Labour to ruin in 1997"

In London maybe..

"and the facts of the reforms/economic turn around since 2010"

London is indeed doing very well...

" to keep out the reformers who took tough decisions to sort out London"

Fixed that one for you..

"rather than blaming those who ran London's industry into the ground."

And that one...

"As I’ve said before, in the real world ( London? ) away from failed ideology ( provincial swivel eyed loons or the Turnip Taliban? Not right thinking Londoners that's for sure!) , politicians get State Funerals ( In London! ) for rescuing London from disaster, not steering London into one."

We don't think that the tories have failed London, however there is one or two people who live outside the South East who thought their elected representatives ( more than half of whom are from London ) might occasionally do something for them.

This hasn't been the case since 1979 oddly enough. You appear to be rather proud of an economic policy which has been a disaster for everywhere but London.