Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

You do know that immigration is increasing under the tories don't you?

The Hammaconda…..I’d firstly like to apologise for making an incorrect statement on EU citizens voting in General Elections, as that is indeed factually incorrect; my GENERAL accusation against Labour from 2000 onwards however, confirmed by that Labour speech writer chap, was that a major reason for allowing near ‘open door’ immigration was to boost Labour’s vote in elections, and I still stand by that.

*The reason I stand by that is I had not comprehended the INCREASE immigration by Commonwealth and ‘others’, OVER AND ABOVE EU NUMBERS that arguably we had a right to refuse citizenships - who mostly COULD vote in General Elections, well over the average of the 1990’s – so I’m not quite sure what your 1948 date is all about versus Labour's increases in the 2000's, outlined within a table below.
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-and-uk

And this would be confirmed as Mr Mandelson mentioned that ‘sent out search parties far and wide’ to fill skill shortages we couldn’t be arsed to train up an ever growing unemployment domestic population for.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.html

As for EU citizen voters influence on (Labour) Councillors, it is you “clutching at straws” in thinking that local Councillor help is NOT important at grass roots level at General Election time, whether main party Memberships are falling away sharply or not.

And yes you are correct, in 2013 the Conservatives with 8,548 counsellors was far more than Labour’s 6,837, but as Labour’s strength is more densely populated inner cities (Metropolitan and London) boroughs cover far less ground than the Conservatives across the shires of England, they are able to make more impact.

And if memory serves, due to the boundaries and share of the vote needed, as Labour only needs 35% of the population to vote for them in order to return to power with a decent majority, such local concentrations and grass root party machinery already providing Labour with a decent lead in the polls it doesn’t really need to win, New labour’s strategy has worked well.

And as for your gasted being all of a flabber for the mocking Brown’s disability, for the sheer policy incompetence and the electoral deceit of leaving power without attempting to provide policies to solve the countries problems for 2010/2015 electoral gain – if he’d have come clean to the plebs just how bad a shape the country was in – he’d have been lucky not to have lost his head, then put on a spike, next to the Tower of London. Why do you think the MP Brown hardly dare show his self acclaimed economically “prudent” face in parliament since 2010 (to earn his current MP salary), his expectations and modesty of receiving a parliamentary standing ovation, or mockery he would receive from all sides of the house AND the media.

You know it hit home to me the other week (when I was flicking between news channels and caught parliament) just HOW MUCH political capital and respect Brown HAS lost. In fairness to him he was speaking/appealing to parliament about a noble cause; the (lack of) education of many tens of thousands of displaced Syrian women refugees, that with a low cost plan he offered for teaching in shifts within neighbouring country schools, it would go some way in maintaining their education.

You know I don’t think that there was more than 4 or 5 MPs on EITHER side of the house listening, which based on the subject, was disrespectful, but if Labour had no more MPs in attendance than the coalition. It speaks volumes on his political record whilst running domestic policies from 1997. IMO.

Not really, I've just been too busy with my paper rounds this week to reply, but I will shortly.

Thank you Hammaconda.

Clears that little spat up nicely.

IIRC extension of the franchise to Commonwealth citizens was done by Labour. In 1948.

Actually, it might have been in 1918. The Representation of the People Act extended the franchise to all British Subjects - the meaning of this has changed to now include Commonwealth citizens.

IsItMe
TheHammaconda….them’s fightin’ words, I’m sure that you will apologise to me as I would to all on these boards, if migration to the UK did not favour the Parliamentary Labour Party in one form or another.

I see no reason to apologise

Now even IF you were correct in assuming that residents here can not vote in a General Election, it is a fact the more local councillors etc a party has, the more grass roots help an MP can expect in a General Election.

Clutching at straws aren't you?

But if a party has more councillors they can expect more MPs in a GE. The Conservative Party with their 8,548 councillors should romp home in 2015 given that they have 1711 more councillors than Labour. Sorry, Wikipedia link.

According to the link below, a UK General Election does not appear to be excluded from citizens from European Union countries who are resident here and register to vote

Actually, according to the full text in the link you provided

Below is a full list of Commonwealth and European Union countries. If you are a citizen of one of these countries, and resident in the UK, you are eligible to register to vote in UK elections. To qualify, Commonwealth citizens must be resident in the UK and either have leave to enter or remain in the UK or not require such leave. The definition of a 'Commonwealth citizen' includes citizens of British Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories.

Citizens of the European Union (who are not Commonwealth citizens or Citizens of the Republic of Ireland) can vote in European and local elections in the UK, elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies (if they live in those areas) and some referendums (based on the rules for the particular referendum) but are not able to vote in UK Parliamentary general elections.

I'm not assuming that Eastern European migrants (who you referred to exclusively in your post) are unable to vote in general elections. As I said, because I know these things (rather than blythly making assumptions and posting them as facts). Migrants are able to vote in UK elections - that means council elections, european elections, elections to the devolved assemblies (if resident in devolved regions) and some referenda. I was very careful to explain clearly.

And of course it was not just EU citizens that were able to take advantage of Labour’s open door migrant policy and potentially vote Labour, as Mr Brown obviously knew and turned his blind eye to.

You are disgusting, how dare you make a joke of someone's disability?

^www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10268870/Million-foreign-voters-could-sway-result-of-next-general-election-warns-report.html^

“MigrationWatch’s report said: “One possible reason why Lord Goldsmith’s report was largely ignored by the Labour government of the day is that voters from black and minority ethnic communities, some of whom will be Commonwealth citizens, are far more likely to vote Labour than Liberal Democrat or Conservative.”

“A report last year by the Runnymede Trust showed 68 per cent of black and Asian people backed Labour in the last general election, said the study, which also suggested the Commonwealth vote could be influential in the referendum on European Union membership.”

You mentioned "Eastern European socialists", nothing about BME voters. You inferred that the Labour Party had engineered this in order to gain a parliamentary votes. IIRC extension of the franchise to Commonwealth citizens was done by Labour. In 1948.

TheHammaconda….them’s fightin’ words, I’m sure that you will apologise to me as I would to all on these boards, if migration to the UK did not favour the Parliamentary Labour Party in one form or another. Now even IF you were correct in assuming that residents here can not vote in a General Election, it is a fact the more local councillors etc a party has, the more grass roots help an MP can expect in a General Election.

According to the link below, a UK General Election does not appear to be excluded from citizens from European Union countries who are resident here and register to vote. And of course it was not just EU citizens that were able to take advantage of Labour’s open door migrant policy and potentially vote Labour, as Mr Brown obviously knew and turned his blind eye to.

www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx

“Below is a full list of Commonwealth and European Union countries. If you are a citizen of one of these countries, and resident in the UK, you are eligible to register to vote in UK elections. To qualify, Commonwealth citizens must be resident in the UK and either have leave to enter or remain in the UK or not require such leave. The definition of a 'Commonwealth citizen' includes citizens of British Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10268870/Million-foreign-voters-could-sway-result-of-next-general-election-warns-report.html

“MigrationWatch’s report said: “One possible reason why Lord Goldsmith’s report was largely ignored by the Labour government of the day is that voters from black and minority ethnic communities, some of whom will be Commonwealth citizens, are far more likely to vote Labour than Liberal Democrat or Conservative.”

“A report last year by the Runnymede Trust showed 68 per cent of black and Asian people backed Labour in the last general election, said the study, which also suggested the Commonwealth vote could be influential in the referendum on European Union membership.”

IsItMe

brought in a few million East European socialist voters to do just that no matter what the domestic cost to their voters

I can't decide whether you're woefully ill-informed about a number of issues or are lying to advance your own agenda.

Migrants are unable to vote in national elections. Those 'East European' voters you seem to believe Labour imported to secure an electoral majority in Parliament aren't actually allowed to vote in general elections. Council elections - yes, European elections - yes but not in general elections.

Yers, and the man on he street can't tell the tories apart from them.

Pretty poor excuse for the liblabcon MEP non-entities who merely turn up to stick their snouts in the trough and rubber stamp anything that crosses their desks. You still haven't provided me with the names of two liblabcon MEPs of note out of quite a number to choose from.

Skewing the election eh? So those votes that UKIP receives are actually owned by the tories are they?

There's this little thing called democracy...

Clearly if a political party who’s only domestic policy to improve the life of their citizens is to come out of Europe, when they can’t do a thing to bring the nation out of Europe themselves, and are getting in the way of those that CAN give the people a say – then I can’t think of a BETTER example of screwing themselves and the people, by skewing the result of an election.

As to “divine right to rule”, look no further than the political party that has fixed the electoral boundaries in their favour, brought in a few million East European socialist voters to do just that no matter what the domestic cost to their voters, and spent more time laying electoral policy traps for the next Conservative administration than trying to fix their own mess – and to many without their heads up their ideological bottoms, that is worse than scum, it’s even beyond treason.

A vote for UKIP, however much stupid and misguided, isn't 'skewing the election'.

You may think that the Tory scum have a divine right to rule, but the public think otherwise.

Slug, I wonder whether this will change when the EP voting processes change - esp the introduction of QMV and the blocking minority.

And that my dear slugger indicates the punchline to the joke ‘VOTE UKIP’ in April; they don’t want the UK to be part of the European Parliament, they therefore have no real interest in the internal gubbins of policies - so by sending them there at a huge taxpayer expense, the joke really is on us.

I wonder if UKIP's Westminster career will match their MEP careers. Apparently the poorest attenders in the European Parliament(though still taking their full salary and benefits) are the UKIP MEPs.

Funny old world I am a fan of sported up Seat cars, and less so of Ukip seats in parliament, but one has to assume that you will, otherwise that nice Mr Farage has said he'll leave Ukip and get an honest job - probably selling false promises in a share 'boiler room' scam. lol

But you don't need seats to bring damage to the UK and interest rates by skewing the election result, as in 2010.

And I suspect the closer we get to May 2015, the markets and potential employers will start 'pricing in' to their investments/plans the prospects of the post May 2015 political uncertainty - including the prospects for a 2017 EU referendum.

I wouldn't put it past the Iron Frau TerrierandJune, tough lady that one. :)

Have we been invited to join a raffle for Spanish cars Isitmebut or are you admitting that we will win representation in parliament?

Spinflight...re your "I have heard it said that there is no way the tories can get a majority if UKIP take more than 4% of the popular vote, and this from a tory analysis. 69% of UKIP voters say they won't vote for anyone else ( Ashcroft's findings ) so you do the maths."

Exactly, as in 2010, so stop denying that a vote for Ukip is NOT a vote for a pro EU stay in Labour Party in 2015.

A Labour government is neither good for your core one-trick-pony-party objective or the UK economy, yet you are bragging about enabling Labour to do both, all for a few seats in the Westminster parliament. Marvellous.

I came across the following article this morning which I wanted to share. Pokes fun very gently at UKIP and Romanians. Enjoy!

Romanian TVs Escape to the Country participants always choose England: eveningharold.com/2014/03/02/romanian-tvs-escape-to-the-country-participants-always-choose-england/#more-178081

Inside UKIP's spring conference: Racist jokes, boozed-up delegates and champagne boasts on board £1m yacht

Nigel Farage and hundreds of his UKIP supporters roared with laughter – as a comic cracked a string of offensive jokes about foreigners.

The party’s leader clapped as Paul ­Eastwood took swipes at Indians, Muslims and Poles at a gala dinner marking the climax of its spring conference.

Referring to the Olympics, he told guests: “Poland did well. They took home bronze, silver, gold, lead, copper – anything they could get their hands on.”

To claps and cheers he went on: “Team Somalia – they did well, didn’t they? They had to apologise. Didn’t realise sailing and shooting were two different events.”

Eastwood then asked: “Any Midlands people here? Wonderful! My favourite accent is a Midlands accent.”

He then attempted an impression of an Asian voice. Eastwood chanted an Islamic call to prayer, mocking it as a “traditional Midlands folk song”.

The scenes were witnessed by Sunday Mirror investigators who joined 200 guests at the £35-a-head black-tie feast. The dinner was a chance for delegates, donors and officials to mingle after the day-long ­conference in Torquay, Devon.

Earlier our reporters were invited to an exclusive boozy bash on a £1million yacht.

cont'd...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-ukips-spring-conference-racist-3197692?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Down with the party of privilege and down with the petite-fascists.

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Quite a protest group, 19% in the Opinium poll this morning.

Puts the tories on 29%, want to bet the tables will be at least turned come 2015?

We attract voters from across the spectrum, the tories lose them in droves.

I have heard it said that there is no way the tories can get a majority if UKIP take more than 4% of the popular vote, and this from a tory analysis. 69% of UKIP voters say they won't vote for anyone else ( Ashcroft's findings ) so you do the maths.

We're one of the big boys now, and we really don't mind if we destroy the three old, failed, parties. Most of us would take great pleasure in it, as would 40% of the electorate who say they 'hate' the tories.

Your nightmares are our dreams, sleep well. :)

Sorry Spinflight...whether you have managed to find the "Convert links Automatically" an inch below your message box or not, as I've mentioned before, I 'don't do' what I found to be (and have labelled in the past) 'half wit websites' – as that tends to be their output, trying to get a following by coming up with ‘out their’ box stories.

Look I understand that you are desperate to show that Ukip, politically, has some ‘value added’ reason to exist other than as a protest party, so it would suit you to be the only Uk party that would bring the UK out of the EU - at some time many years from now, when Ukip holding a majority in the English Parliament, you could make decision ‘on behalf of the State’ e.g Article 50, giving notice to leave.

But the fact is this country has to rely on the Conservatives to give the people an unambiguous CHOICE, via a yes/no referendum.

So if you are trying to say that a Conservative (or any other) UK Prime Minister would hold a referendum and if the country voted to leave, he/she would still stay in, you are seriously worried the Ukip scam has been rumbled and grasping at (half witted) straws.