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Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:08

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and Confused

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

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joanofarchitrave · 19/01/2014 00:21

We are in Europe. And this is a country very comfortable with oligarchy.

I think Labour'd be more likely to take a different leaf out of the Lib Dem book - and in fact of the 80s Labour book - and aim to parlay their influence in urban centres into something more.

claig · 19/01/2014 00:09

I don't think we will get that in Britain, but it is more possible in Europe.

Imagine if Scotland does actually go independent. I don't know if it will. What will happen to Labour in England then? Their arrogance will decline and they will then really be in favour of proportional voting or they may never sit on the government benches again.

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joanofarchitrave · 19/01/2014 00:05

i think neo-fascism/Putinism is a more likely outcome of not voting than the single transferable vote.

claig · 18/01/2014 23:50

'so you're assuming that the people's choice to give a massed raspberry to av a couple of years ago was a typo? does this version of 'the people' need to be deselected and another lot who vote in a way you prefer brought in?'

The public were not properly informed about AV and anyway AV was not the right system. That is why it failed. Next time they will be forced to offer something better than AV or disillusionment and apathy will grow and UKIP will increase even more in popularity.

We are on the verge of huge changes in our system despite the puppets and it will be the people who bring it about by not voting for the establishment parties.

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:47

Paddy is obviously worried about the vote that the LibDems will get, but this is what he said a while back

"Ex-Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown has launched an extraordinary attack on the BBC, the NHS, the City and the media, warning ‘crumbling’ public trust risks triggering ‘public disturbance’.

Lord Ashdown, who is in charge of the party’s election campaign, claimed bankers have their ‘fingers in the till’, the BBC was ‘complicit’ in the Jimmy Savile scandal and nurses who were once thought to be angels ‘turn out to be witches’.

The 72-year-old said he is ‘surprised’ that there has not been more unrest in poor areas as a result of the recession, claiming a collapse in trust and morale has been caused by ‘the absence of hope’.

The Lib Dems have seen a collapse in their support since entering the coalition, falling from 22 per cent at the 2010 election to barely 10 per cent in polls now.

Lord Ashdown admitted that the party he led from 1998 to 1999 could no longer count on attracting protest votes, with those disenchanted with the main parties instead switching to the UK Independence Party.

But he warned that the rise of Nigel Farage’s UKIP was in part fuelled by a ‘the collapse of beliefs, the dissolution of institutions’ leading to people to ‘find an appeal in answers that are simplistic’."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533106/Nurses-angels-turn-witches-Paddy-Ashdown-warning-crumbling-trust-NHS-BBC-politics.html

I think he is right that the rise of UKIP is symptomatic of a huge level of distrust in the elites and their policies. They have failed to listen to the public, they have ignored the public and now the public see UKIP in a more favourable light than our previous rulers.

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joanofarchitrave · 18/01/2014 23:45

so you're assuming that the people's choice to give a massed raspberry to av a couple of years ago was a typo? does this version of 'the people' need to be deselected and another lot who vote in a way you prefer brought in?

claig · 18/01/2014 23:41

joan, I think it is significant that a party described by some influential politicians as containing some members or voters who are nutters, fruitcake and racists has scored so highly in the public's favourability rating.

Only 19% say they will vote UKIP, but we know that that is because of our electoral voting system which does not reflect the true will of the people.

It is clear that we will one day have to have a proprotioanl voting system or elections will become a farce.

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joanofarchitrave · 18/01/2014 23:37

oh claig STOP it

any party can look terrific if it doesn't actually have any power

claig · 18/01/2014 23:32

Or are these people nutters, fruitcakes and racists and do they have to get back in their box and vote for the puppets?

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:30

How long before the disenfranchised millions finally get a proportional voting system that reflects their real views? How long until the elite read the tea leaves and smell the coffee? Is it over? Have the people won?

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:24

Will the Brussels elite be on the blower first thing Monday morning telling the media moguls to sort it out and make the public vote again until they get it right or is it over for the pampered, progressive elite?

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:21

Can't the media put some more polar bears on TV to turn the public away from the climate sceptic UKIP "heretics" the media so love to bash?

Is the game up for the puppets? Is it over?

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:18

What does this say about the public's faith in the "established", "establishment" parties?

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:17

LEM, you're right, they have some idiots in their party, but still the public vote them as most favourably regarded party. How come?

It's amazing.

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LEMmingaround · 18/01/2014 23:12

One of thier mp's has stated that gay marriage is responsible for the storms and floods Hmm

claig · 18/01/2014 23:12

"Even though people might not be intending to vote Ukip, a new survey suggests they still hold them in higher regard than all of the other main parties.

A ComRes opinion poll for the Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror found 27 per cent said that they had a "favourable” view of them but only 19 per cent would vote for UKIP in a general election.

This is just ahead of the 26 per cent who are favourable to the Labour Party, 25 per cent to the Conservative Party and 14 per cent to the Liberal Democrats."

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