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Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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claig · 18/01/2014 23:08

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and Confused

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

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claig · 20/01/2014 00:39

And I must admit I felt a bit sorry for him when he put a thumbs up and waved to the socialists when they called him a "bawbag". He didn't know what that vile term really meant, how could he? He is never called that down sarf.

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claig · 20/01/2014 00:32

Things, I don't think Farage was chuckling at the time. I'm not sure he saw the funny side of it - he was only trying to slake his thirst and down another pint. He didn't deserve that, not revolutionary socialists. He's used to being treated almost as a demi-God down sarf.

I must admit, I felt a bit sorry for him - a good man trying to do a good job had the misfortune of bumping into a crowd of revolutionary socialists and quite possiby a few climate change activists to boot.

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ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight · 20/01/2014 00:06

Farage drinks pints in a real pub... While he's locked in for his own safety after visiting Scotland Grin and being called a bawbag GrinGrin

Ah that memory has made me chuckle

NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 22:24

So if one follows that argument one must continually vote for no change then. One we desperately need change; two many labour MPs disagree with europe and would have voted for a referendum on principle and conmviction. Cameron didn't need the Libs to deliver that.

If one takes your argument further you might just as well say the Labour Party shpould never have got off the ground because for an election or three it diluted the power of the Torys and Liberals Hmm.

Where's ytour seat - sounds like you are running scared to me.

Isitmebut · 19/01/2014 16:56

NeartheWindmill……Re “Cameron not offering a referendum”, maybe if you used a bit of math you would work out that with 650 seats in parliament, with 303 or so seats, the Tories cannot form a majority to FORCE a referendum automatically – and that would be WHY we have a coalition – and it has to be ‘negotiated’ with a pro EU Lib Dems..

The funny thing was, with around 26,000 votes across several key marginal seats in the 2010, that was a key reason the Tories did not get a small majority – so Ukip stopped the Referendum, then, and as the electoral boundaries (voters needed) are ‘fixed’ so the Tories need to be around 8% IN FRONT of pro EU Labour in the polls to FORM a majority in 2015, Ukip MAY STOP the next referendum as a 2015 Labour government COULD overturn a referendum scheduled in this parliament.

This is why Ukip, who accuses other party’s of lying HAS TO TELL THE VOTERS HOW THEY WILL BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU, without a majority in the 2015 general election – and why they’re wasting their time voting for Ukip MEP’s in 2014.

Farage is just a failed Tory 'wannabe' on steroids, washed down with beer.

So Farage’s job trading/speculating on energy prices is “A REAL JOB”????lol

I thought this was how he (Farage) made his money, with £2 million in MEP expenses.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 16:26

Oh and I have just noticed the correlation between DC the man and DC the MNet acronym :)

NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 16:25

We'll be voting UKIP and we have solar panels and an electric car. DC promised a referendum on Europe and it didn't materialise. We will leave Europe legally when there is a referendum and the government is given a mandate to leave.

I totally supported a confederation of European states bearing in mind the original 6 or 9 states and when it provided strength against the Iron Curtain. I DO NOT support a Federation of Europe and never shall.

claig · 19/01/2014 13:34

'that COULD be led my ex oil/energy trader from the City, promising a 31p flat rate of tax/NICs to help the rich.'

At least he had a real job, not one of these "special advisers" in a publicly funded quango or so-called 'think tank' who is straight out of Oxford with a PPE.

Farage has worked in the real world, he drinks pints in a real pub, just like the ordinary people. Not only could he drink the puppets under the table, he can outwit them in debate because he has worked with the people on the streets unlike the privileged puppets in their ivory towers who disdain the people who "lift things" as they work for the benefit of society.

It's over. The times they are a-changing'. The answer is not blowing in the windmills. Cut the crap, don't fall for the puppets' trap.

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claig · 19/01/2014 13:23

UKIP is not extreme right wing.
They want the return of national sovereignty and the right for Parliament to make our own laws rather than having many laws imposed by an unelected bureaucratic elite.

Of course UKIP voters care about policies or they wouldn't turn out to vote. But some care only about a few policies and others care about more policies. People have the right to decide what concerns them and what they consider important. It is true that most UKIP voters don't believe in the "green crap" of the Tory modernisers and prefer to have laws made by our own elected Parliament and that is what democracy is all about.

'designed to attract people that really don’t think that much; you know, not very clever, but can lift heavy things.'

This is the elitist thinking of the members of the metropolitan elite who believe they are above the ordinary people who work hard and lift things and who didn't go to Oxbridge or Eton. But democracy is about "we the people" and we will vote for people who do not despise us and look down on us and who feel that they are intellectually superior to us. They are not superior to us intellectually or morally. The common sense of the people works for the common good of the people and the puppets of the plutocrats will fall as their disdain for ordinary people becomes more and more evident.

'HOW IS UKIP GOING TO BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU'

Wait and see. The tide is turning, the puppets' lies are being revealed and the people's voice will be heard. The European elections will cause an earthquake all over Europe. Parties are now resisting the rule of the plutocrats and their undemocratic system of centralised control that strips the sovereignty of nations and disenfranchises ordinary people by imposing a democratic deficit on them alongside their trade deficit and austerity measures.

How will we leave Europe? We will leave it because the tide is turning, because the people want it. The plutocrats will call on their puppets to hold firm and stem the tide, but just as with their "green crap", all of their other "crap" will start to crumble. The marionettes on their strings will say "cut the crap" and it won't just be the "green crap".

It's over. It's only just begun. The Euro elections are the beginning of the end for the lies and spin of the plutocrats' puppets and the return to democracy for the people.

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Isitmebut · 19/01/2014 12:43

After hard economic times, history well records the rise of extremist parties promising something ‘different’, but very short on detail, so they usually focus the peoples hate on an ethnic group or two, claiming ‘nationalism’- although I don’t think Ukip are looking for a European War.

Immigration aside, the focus on coming out of the EU as the be and end all of UK prosperity, is a wider focus, with an additional slant on ‘nationalism’, designed to attract people that really don’t think that much; you know, not very clever, but can lift heavy things.

Full marks to Ukip for attracting these people, as I can’t think of an extreme right wing party in Europe that COULD be led my ex oil/energy trader from the City, promising a 31p flat rate of tax/NICs to help the rich.

Clearly the earlier claim on here that Ukip supporters “don’t care about policies”, tells a huge story about their voters, but the claim that other party’s LIE and Ukip don’t, it is unbelievable that their supporters, IN THEIR KEY ISSUE, have fallen for the claim that Ukip GUARANTEES to bring the UK out of the EU.

ONE MORE TIME UKIP SUPPORTERS, HOW IS UKIP GOING TO BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU, IF MEP’S CAN NOT CHANGE UK LAW?????????????

TorrentialLorraine · 19/01/2014 10:46

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NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 10:36

I think the people thinking of voting UKIP are rather like us. DH is a lawyer (as indeed is Nigel Farage I think), I am a professional. My parents are voting - retired businessman and arty wife. We know a few tbf and they aren't dissimilar to us. I have voted Conservative since 1979 but it doesn't stand for my values any more. I want a party that actively allows upward social mobility and that is what Labour and the Conservatives have allowed to be destroyed.

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claig · 19/01/2014 10:22

TorrentialLorraine, you are right. The huge majority are people who have had enough of the lies and the spin and the failure to listen to ordinary people.

That is why UKIP is now the party seen most favourably by the public.
The public have had enough and the spinners are still spinning and don't even see what is happening right before their eyes.

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claig · 19/01/2014 10:19

Agree, Faye. Total idiot.

He was a Tory and he left and joined UKIP.

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TorrentialLorraine · 19/01/2014 10:18

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FayeKorgasm · 19/01/2014 10:14

The arse who claimed the recent rain was gods anger at gay marriage is a local town councillor to me. I'm guessing that all the uproar his comment has made will ensure he isn't re elected. What a total idiot.

NB. I didn't vote for him Grin

claig · 19/01/2014 10:10

Sorry, wrong thread, but fascinating anyway.

I will link to the article

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541911/Extraordinary-Twitter-confession-Crystal-Methodist-I-got-Co-op-job-friends-high-places.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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claig · 19/01/2014 10:09

Let me quote some of the words of the Very Reverend Flowers who seems to have seen the light.

‘It’s fast becoming my opinion,’ he tweeted, ‘that the last man to enter the houses of Parliament with honest intentions was indeed Guy Folkes [sic].’

An hour later, he tweeted a cryptic poster with the words: ‘Crime, money, power, drugs – are all linked,’ a quote from film producer Matthew Vaughn.

By Friday, his plans for a book seemed to be proceeding apace. ‘The book is starting to take shape,’ @PaulFlowersRvd tweeted, ‘it’s going to cost a few “public figures” there [sic] chosen career’s [sic], Corruption, blackmail, sex scandals etc.??.??.’

Moments later he added: ‘Certain chapters in my book will shock & astound even the hardened [sic] of readers, it will end career’s [sic] & cast huge questions across the board.’

It's over. The public know the scams and even the Very Reverend knows the scams.

It's over. Hallelujah.

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claig · 19/01/2014 10:04

Good points NiceGuy and NearTheWindmill.

Conviction is key. The public is tired of spinners who do not listen to the people. The time of the metropolitan elite who ignore Middle England and ordinary people's views is fast approaching an end.

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NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 09:53

Oh yes and I will be voting UKIP at the European elections and if they stand in my borough in the next borough elections I shall also be voting UKIP.

NearTheWindmill · 19/01/2014 09:52

The Conservative Party needs to feel some pain and buck its ideas up. DC has done zilch for middle England, zilch for Education, zilch for family values, zilch for the UK's integrity overseas, in fact a big fat zilch and AFAIAC that's precisely what happens when a party votes for the man who will win it an election by playing safe but who has zero conviction in relation to anything. DC, like Tony Blair could as easily have been a successful politician in any party because ultimate he doesn't have any convictions.

niceguy2 · 19/01/2014 09:38

UKIP are popular because the electorate have pretty much lost faith in all the main parties.

New Labour cos a lot of people still blame them for causing the last recession.

Tories cos many still cannot forgive them for the Thatcher years and their term in office so far has been pretty dire.

Lib Dems got in as the popular alternative vote at the last election but pissed all their goodwill away with the student fees fiasco.

So given we don't like any of the main parties.....let's all vote UKIP!

UKIP are the plain talking party we're understanding even if we may not necessarily agree with their policies. They've nothing to lose and everything to gain.

They're causing the main parties (esp Tories) a lot of pain. All parties will need to step to the right to try to claw back ground. Especially the Tories.

TorrentialLorraine · 19/01/2014 03:30

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claig · 19/01/2014 03:16

We would re-open our coal based power plants and delay the shutdown of our existing plants. We would tear up the windfarms and scrap the public taxpayer subsidies to millionaire aristocratic landowners and scrap the green taxes on energy and reduce the fuel bills of the hardworking people.

We would regain our independence and our national sovereignty and we would make our own laws and encourage growth and investment. We would turn the clock back, kick the elite bureaucrats out, stop the gravy train and cut the expenses.

We would save on heat by turning on our old safe, mercury-free, incandescent lightbulbs that generate heat as well as light and we would put things right.

The gravy train would sieze to a halt, the bureaucrats' buffets would hit the buffer, the puppets would have palpitations, the modernisers would have meltdowns, the bureaucrats would be tasked with collecting the people's bins themselves on a weekly basis and the BBC would show repeats of the Good Old Days instead of their polar bear extravangazas and their Dances with Huskies on Ice.

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