Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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Because MPs - of all parties - have shown themselves to be sensible, and trustworthy, right?

What a joke.

I don't claim to be the sharpest tool in the box, unlike you. But I wasn't fool enough to vote New Labour. I could see that they were going to wreck our civil liberties with their biometric ID cards, DNA databases and heaven knows what else if we had left them in power to do their worst.

That's right. Removing the HRA would allow parties like New Labour to do their worst.

So don't allow it to happen.

Threatening to withdraw from the HRA is a reason not to vote for a political party, not a vote for.

You're a fool if you think withdrawing from the HRA will make you more free. The only more freedom you will enjoy is the freedom of Parliament to further erode the few civil rights and liberties you still enjoy which have been hard fought for over the centuries.

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The HRA enshrines the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law. Parliament is not bound by previous Parliaments; it could overturn this law at any time. The ECHR is nothing to do with the European Union, it is overseen by the Council of Europe (although all EU members are part of the CoE).

If a Bill of Rights were introduced and the HRA removed, people would still be able to sue the govt at the European Court of Human Rights. You'd just have to wait until your case has been through all of the domestic courts.

Is any party considering withdrawing from the Convention?

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It doesn't 'confuse British laws'. The Human Rights Act simply means that judges must take in to account the the European Convention on Human Rights when drafting or interpreting laws:

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The Human Rights Act 1998

Section 1 of the HRA makes the rights contained in the ECHR legally enforceable in the UK. The HRA came into force on 2 October 2000.

Under section 2 of the HRA the UK courts must take into account any relevant decisions of the European Court of Human Rights when considering human rights issues. However, European Court decisions are not legally binding on the UK.

Section 3 of the HRA requires laws to be interpreted as far as possible so as to be compatible with human rights. If a law cannot be interpreted to make it human rights compliant, the courts can make ‘declarations of incompatibility’ (section 4 of the HRA). These declarations are statements that a law is not compatible with human rights. Judges in the UK cannot overturn primary legislation if they find that it is not human rights compliant, although they can overturn secondary legislation.

If a declaration of incompatibility is made, the Government can then decide whether to amend the legislation in order to make it compatible with human rights. There is a special Parliamentary procedure for amending legislation declared incompatible under the HRA (section 10 and schedule 2).

www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/human-rights-act/

The Human Rights Act example is also a bad example as it WILL NOT disappear if the UK leaves the EU, the Labour Party guaranteed that, by taking old international law brought in after WWII and LEGISLATING IT INTO UK LAW, which is why the Act has a 1998 date, when criminals/terrorists and their lawyers hide behind it.

First of all, calm down. Secondly, as far as I understand, no Parliament is bound by the laws of any previous Parliament. It would be technical possible so some reactionary party, like the Tory scum or UKIP, to abolish the act. I'm pretty sure that's is, or has been, in the UKIP manifesto - though I may be wrong.

Oh yeah, here we go: Tory scum threaten to repeal act:

www.theguardian.com/law/2013/sep/30/conservitives-scrap-human-rights-act

And the HRA has done more to protect the citizens of this country and their rights than any opposition government. The UK currently has no written constitution, in the sense of a set of written rules and guidelines limiting state power.

This nonsense about terrorists 'abusing' the HRA is propaganda from the reactionary crowd in order to abolish these rights. In most cases, it is right that the people in question aren't deported (from the cases I heard) - they were suspects, not convicts, and it was highly like that they would be tortured or killed if extradited. This is precisely the sort of thing the HRA is for.

The 'British Bill of Rights', especially one laid out by the Tories, would be an utter joke and completely fail to protect citizens basic rights. You can expect a government which has brought in the recent Gagging law and which tried to make a new law which prevented people from being a 'nuisance in public' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019 to create any Bill of Rights which isn't a complete joke and completely meaningless.

If in mentioning ‘Human Rights’ is meant to be positive to staying ‘in’ the EU, then the ‘in’ camp has more problems articulating there case than I thought.

First the Human Rights Act of 1998 has caused more problems for our governments and courts than it has solved, as it confuses British law (and therefore judges, by default) to such an extent, that criminals and suspected terrorists often have more ’rights’ than the victims and State – as evidenced by numerous high profile cases, also costing the taxpayer many £millions more in appeal legal fees.

The Human Rights Act example is also a bad example as it WILL NOT disappear if the UK leaves the EU, the Labour Party guaranteed that, by taking old international law brought in after WWII and LEGISLATING IT INTO UK LAW, which is why the Act has a 1998 date, when criminals/terrorists and their lawyers hide behind it.

The Conservatives in power until 1997, would NOT enshrine it into UK law and has done it’s best since to replace it with a a clearer more legally user friendly British Bill of Rights, but again, as a government without a majority in parliament etc, has not been able to get the Labour and Lib Dem parties to agree to it.

“British Bill of Rights commission fails to reach agreement”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20757384

The sooner we are out of the EU, the sooner this country can start rebuilding itself again.

Yeah, sure. Everything will be just peachy when the government abolishes the Human Rights Act and starts dismantling the very few basic rights which British citizens have left.

And won't it be great if we could turn back the clock to the 1920s, when Britain had a monoculture, consisting almost exclusively of old, white men, and people of colour were a rarity?

Here are some of the nuttier policies of UKIP which were so embarrassing, that even Nigel Farage abandoned them:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/23/the-ukip-politices-disowned-by-nigel-farage

As UKIP cannot legislate to bring the UK out of the EU, or currently have ANY domestic policies on anything UNTIL the 2015 general Election, why NOT just vote for Labour in BOTH elections?

Any current Ulkip policies on domestic issues like education, are being made up on the hoof, as Mr Farage admits that their 2010 general election manifesto they tried to hide, was just “drivel” and that they are going into the 2015 general Election with “a blank piece of paper”.

"UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel".
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel
"I didn't read it. It was drivel. It was 486 pages of drivel ... It was a nonsense. We have put that behind us and moved onto a professional footing."

As for leaving the EU, even if Ukip had 100 parliamentary seats in Westminster (from the zero currently), it is the Labour and Liberal Dem Lords STOPPING a referendum – that the Conservatives with just over 300 seats CURRENTLY can not get passed them, to ensure the UK has a say on Europe in a 2017 Reforendum.

Jan 31st 2014; "David Cameron has pledged to get behind a fresh attempt to get an EU referendum bill into law after legislation was killed off by (Labour & Liberal) peers."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25977258

"Today the Labour Party in the House of Lords voted to block our bill that would have ensured a referendum on Britain's EU membership by the end of 2017," Mr Cameron said.

"This is disappointing news for all of us, but we are not going to give up in our efforts to turn our referendum commitment into law. Far from it.
"After all, we succeeded in passing it through the House of Commons - a huge achievement.

"We are going to try to reintroduce the same bill in the next session of Parliament and, if necessary, rely on the provisions in the Parliament Act to stop Labour and Liberal Democrat peers killing the bill once again."

So clearly a Ukip vote in the EU elections in May is worthless as a protect vote as the Labour and Lib Dem parties are committed to the EU come what may, and a vote for Ukip in the 2015 General Election on domestic issues (they have not decided on yet), is also a vote for Labour – as it weakens the parliamentary Conservative Party, which is the ONLY mainstream party that both CAN & WANTS TO implement the will of the people, via an EU Referendum – ensuring a pro EU Labour Party forms the next government in 2015.

If 'the peoples' main priority is leaving the EU, it is time they woke up to THE TRUTH. IMO.

The sooner we are out of the EU, the sooner this country can start rebuilding itself again.

Claig. I've been to many UKIP conferences over the years, many of the people there are working class, middle class, quite a few are from ethnic minority backgrounds.
One thing I have noticed is that quite a few (a lot) are public school educated. Why this is I don't know. All i know is that for many of them (and me) the main political parties don't seem to represent the person on the street or their views.
Whatever is said about UKIP and a lot has been said, a lot of it negative, it won't stop people voting UKIP. It looks like they will slaughter all in the EU elections.
Last general election they polled 950.000 votes, surely it will be more this time, they went from a membership of 16.000 at the last election to now over 30.000.
Farage is not a career politician and that has helped him in politics. The Tories have sneered at their "own' (swivel eyed loons) and this has enraged many who have left the Conservative party in droves.
It will be interesting to see what happens at a general election.

I have never ever seen shaven headed BNP type supporters. The nearest you'll get to baldness is the deputy leader Paul Nuttal and he has two degrees and was a lecturer, (although some may not think it, as he comes from Liverpool and fits a convenient stereotype).

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No one EVER agrees with all the policies of a single political party, so it is always the least repulsive front man and party, in an Ugly Party Contest, where voters tend to look at their record in power across several key issues - nothing new there.

It's true that Cameron isn't exactly thrilling me with his prospectus on the above. But he is a damn sight better than Miliband would ever be.

I agree with this bit. But at the moment it very much feels like we're going to have to to elect the least worst choice rather than the best man for the job.

I wish the right would vote tactically as much as the left does; I feel that small-c conservatives who think there is no difference between the Tories and Labour need their head read.

I would prefer more free market and liberal economic policies; lower, flatter taxes than the government are offering, and deeper cuts to welfare. I prefer a harder line on EU and ECHR nonsense than Cameron is willing to provide. I want unlimited skilled immigration, and zero unskilled immigration, with illegals deported full stop, without any recourse to the courts except whether to judge whether they are legally here or not. I want greater resources put into our armed forces, and fewer calls upon them to stoke the egos our of political elite. I want the socialist shadow state, whether it be in the BBC, quangos, unions, local education authorities, or charities, completely decimated.

It's true that Cameron isn't exactly thrilling me with his prospectus on the above. But he is a damn sight better than Miliband would ever be.

I'm very happy to vote UKIP in order to move the Tories to a more working-class Tory, Thatcherite position - especially in elections like for the European Parliament - but never at the cost of Labour being elected. I think letting Labour in is very dangerous, and those who say 'they are all the same' somehow need to be persuaded to think a little about whether they really believe this.

Well having seen some of the memes and comments aimed at osbourne, cameron and ids I think he's going to have to grow a thicker hide.
Yanoo, in case UKIP gets into like, power or anything - he'll get a lot worse than that

Sorry still chuckling, not at the incident, he must have been scared and that's not nice, but the word bawbag just made me titter like a schoolgirl