Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

Claig...there is clearly quite a lot you don't know about Ukip..but don't worry yourself, Mr Bhutto was either a Farage gimmick, or they were flirting with the idea of kidnapping voters.lol

Even though they were the UKIP spokesman for the Commonwealth? He was quite active in the media and on the telly.

Are these the same conservatives who were once UKIP spokesmen?

It's an interesting business model Conservatives (or UKIP) the party of business?

That's one typically opportunist Ukip policy, only another 400 pages of "drivel" to go by 2015, to match Ukips 2010 efforts.

"Bullingdon Club" versus the Conservative record above, grow up, Farage is a ex city oil speculator, probably driving up the energy prices for consumers....do you really want to play pathetic 'name calls' when it's policies while in government?

Stones and glass houses.

Again, soooooooooo many Ukip words from the two of you (blah-in-stereo), but strip away the lame class clichés of a political party history of the Conservatives shows turned around the UK’s economy/prospects from this in 1979 (see below), left an excellent economy for Labour to ruin in 1997 – and the facts of the reforms/economic turn around since 2010, and in reality any comparison to the Ukip wannabes who can’t FIND a policy, never mind govern with them, is embarrassing, don’t you think?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

When the Trade Unions were either run by the Soviet Union, or thought they could ‘just’ claim money to take on the government.
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-448602/How-Scargill-begged-Kremlin-fund-miners-fight-Thatcher.html

Only in UK politics is ‘class’ is used by opposition parties whose ideology has proven to fail whilst in government (or in Ukip’s case, failed Tories that have sod all to offer themselves) as an argument to vote for them, to keep out the reformers who took tough decisions to sort out the nation – rather than blaming those who ran britain’s industry into the ground.

See what UK car worker mentality was taking on the strike free Japanese car industry and strong German Unions that understood a businesses problems and worked with the bosses, for the good of all.
news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8401000/8401200.stm

As I’ve said before, in the real world away from failed ideology, politicians get State Funerals for rescuing a nation from disaster, not steering the nation into one.

Now do you realise how utterly STUPID your mantra is that Conservatives have failed this nation and that your Ukip rabble have ANY answers to this nations problems; whether you find a policy or not? Jokers.

I can only speak for myself Isitmebut, however I can assure you that I do care about policies. Saying that, if I did not, I suspect I would still vote UKIP. :)

Hmm first one is easy... 1.4 million new jobs of which 80% will be in London, 90% of which will have gone to foreign workers. I'll be generous and say that only the remainder are zero hour workfare or minimum wage. All of which only makes money for the super rich, as per my point above.

The only major donor that I know of is Stuart Wheeler, our treasurer. I do know that the vast majority of our funding comes from the membership, the many begging letters I have received from Nigel confirm as much. If all UKIP members have dipped into their own pockets to the same extent as myself then good on them. I'm not a rich man, not even a comfortably off one so I have to balance my kid's future against my desire and need for change.

Not only funding of course, whilst the old, failed, parties have newspapers and broadcasters tripping over their every word we are frozen out whenever possible. Hence our members have to deliver leaflets and talk to people. The odds are outrageous frankly, 300,000+ liblabcons ( very many of them paid councillors and activists) plus the entire media against the membership, which is little more than a couple of pub tables worth in each constituency. Go figure.

How do you figure that our policy on the EU is a lie? I think you are on your own there my friend, of all the strange and twisted things said about UKIP I think you win the cherry....

I'm afraid that I don't see much in the way of brains in the tory party, granted I realise that the tories think they're bright ( partly in a getting away with it sense), however no-one else does. Please list these brains of yours, should be good for a laugh if nothing else. :)

The idea that spoilt toffs whose only qualification is either working for Daddy's company or having burned £50 notes in front of beggars with their chums to show their contempt for the common man, the law and common decency make good representatives of the people is truly bizarre. How do you consider that those with no experience of a normal life should make decisions which affect the lives of the normal people?

I don't claim to have brains, but I do have principles and therefore recognise those that do not. Whether it be Aitken on the verge of wielding his sword of justice or Major knocking off Eggwina whilst preaching family values, sleaze will forever be a tory word association game. Granted the elected of all colours are now just as bad as each other, however there is no parallel in any other industry for the systematic fraud, deceit and scumbaggery which infests this rump parliament.

UKIP isn't an outlier, merely a herd of people of all political persuasions who want to be at the head of the queue to destroy the defective thinking and values which represent our politicians.

Spin…as you clearly know nothing about political history, I have no interest in either educating you or correcting your ignorance, after all Ukip supporter after Ukip supporter e.g Claig, says they don’t care about policies.

Similar for the economy, as if you think that all the 1.4 million new jobs since 2010 were given to the ‘super rich’, or that the Private Sector pays for the Public Sector and important services bill, I can’t understand why Ukip allow you to post.

As for party donations and more sad class clichés, please list Ukip’s donors and backers, lets see how many of them are not rich business men, probably ex Tories with dodgy motives for power.

As for “what Ukip believe in”, honesty and trust hardly goes hand in hand with General Election manifestos that are issues and rubbished before the next one, and an outright lie that a vote for Ukip will bring the UK out of the EU. In other words Ukip is THE Con Party, and I don’t mean Con-servative.

Re not having ‘proper jobs’ Prescott was a ships steward, Johnson a postman, others who cant string a sentence together were also previously employed and many Labour MP are funded by trade unions with proper jobs to guide their policies, and look what they left.

But funny enough a government shouldn’t need ‘toffs’ and brains to work out how unbalanced their economy was, that benefit bill shouldn’t be rocketing up during a global boom, that swing door immigration does not improve the job prospects and pay rates of the lower paid voters they pretended to represent. But it has taken brains to make the tough decisions to get us out of the mess.

As for the other three other party manifestos, I can hardly comment on Labours as they REFUSED to tell us, 3-years into the crisis, other than all government budgets would be cut (including the NHS) what spending that they would cut, or where the extra taxes to pay for it, would fall, and they were in government at the time. All those ‘goodies’ were going to be sprung AFTER they won the 2010 election, again how politically brave, no State funeral for Brown.

Both the Conservatives and Lib Dems in coalition were in no position to follow all of their manifestos as they had to horse trade for the agreement within the first week.

Ukips 2010 policies like reducing the Public Sector employee levels down to 1997 levels (a cut of over 1 million) and REDUCING Public Sector pensions to private sector levels, were just to get votes at the time, very similar to every policy on the hoof Farage has uttered since – but as Ukip fan-atics say, they don’t care if their party flip flops their policies, they are ‘different’, and clearly hope that “the common man” is just as ignorant as them.

I think everyone is in a position to judge the record of the subreptile tories, and it isn't a pretty picture.

As long as they get their donations and directorships in big business they really don't care who really pays. Economic growth for the super rich doesn't really tickle my fancy I'm afraid.

I actually rather agree with Nigel on the 2010 manifesto, Lord Pearson was honest enough to say that he wasn't up to the job of leading UKIP and I agree with him. Frankly he almost destroyed the party and didn't appear to understand it's beliefs and members.

Case in fact was his proposal to ban the burka ( which is rather an odd thing for a libertarian party to espouse in my opinion ). Worse though was his apparently unsolicited offer to the tories for an electoral pact.

Forty percent of the membership resigned overnight and those that remained didn't exactly bust a gut ( if I may generalise ) in campaigning for the 2010 General Election. Which partly explains our poor showing.

I was otherwise engaged in a hostile and sandy place so missed it all, though it took some time for membership figures to recover...

You do hit on an important issue however, that of trust. Given that the vast majority of our elected scumbags have never had a proper job who the hell would trust them with running anything?

UKIP believes in the people, the rights and opinions of the common man - compared to the outright contempt of the tories or the 'count the votes and discount the views' policy of labour. That applies to policy too and as a democratic party anyone can contribute to policy proposals. That is what has and is happening.

Frankly however no tory, libdem or labour shill could really claim their 2010 manifestos were anything other than a pack of bare faced lies. At least we're honest enough to say that we got it wrong....

Spinflight….your (Ukips) domestic policies are changing on the hoof, usually picking unpopular coalition and Labour policies, how politically brave that is,

How can the UK electorate trust a rag tag political party that can disown a whole general election manifesto?

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire 2010 general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel".
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

Ukip even tried to hide their past record, more than the main three parties - before farage had to 'come out'.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

As to “failed parties” you have seen, I suggest you pay more attention.

The history books do not show the Conservative administration from 1979 to 1997 as a failure, especially as it INHERITED an economic basket case from Old Labour and PASSED to New Labour an economy that grew for around 26 consecutive quarters, and was the strongest economy in Europe – only to get it back again in 2010 as an economic basket case whose GDP FELL more than Europe under Labour, and is NOW growing faster than most G7 countries, including those in Europe.

And frankly if your glorious leader is disowning Ukip’s 2010 general election theories/efforts, e.g. a 32p flat rate of tax/Nics for the rich, YOU are in no position to judge other political parties, especially the record of the Conservatives.

Isitmebut...

Whilst I normally have a rule about not replying to those who insist on using their CapsLock..

UKIP does indeed have a full raft of domestic policies, indeed it is because of these that I am a member.

I personally think a hung parliament in 2015 is the best possible thing for this country. Whenever new or old Labour had a large majority in the houses of Parliament large tracts of Magna Carta went missing, presumably vandalised. I've seen what all three of the old, failed, parties can do in Government and I don't like any of them.

Regards...

Labour’s Human Right Act of1998 – buying into the Federal Europe dream, making UK Courts subservient to the Strasbourg court.

OK I get it, that the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is a binding international agreement that the UK helped draft and has sought to comply with for over half a century. However, for many years the Convention was not a full part of our own law, so using the Convention usually meant taking a case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) in Strasbourg. This was often time-consuming and expensive.

Since coming into force on 2 October 2000 within the UK, the Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA) has made rights from the ECHR (the Convention rights) enforceable in our own courts.

However It's all very well saying the 1998 version of the act effectively recognised, and empowered victims. all too often since it has been used against the victims. namely the British people. Too often our rights have. been ignored by those who mean us harm, like the prisoners that have wronged society wanting the vote, or just the illegal immigrants looking for a lame excuse to stay and can’t be shifted.

And all get to challenge the British courts with legal Aid, paid for by the taxpayer ‘money tree’, that Labour planted and picked on an all too regular basis through 13-years in power..

And who are these people in Strasbourg, and what right do they have to micromanage laws within the UK and other member states – rather their original purpose, to fight against major human rights abuses?

Who gave them these powers, or have they taken them on themselves as business is a bit slow elsewhere – maybe as in all EU uncontrolled, virtually unaccoutable bureaucracies, they have too many jobsworths looking to justify their huge remuneration packages?

In reality the 47 Strasbourg judges have virtually no democratic legitimacy and are poorly qualified compared to Britain's own senior judges.

And similar to the Labour administration’s policies, shortcutting appeals to Strasbourg may ideologically look good on paper to them, but is not "fit for purpose" for day to day use in the REAL world..

Therefore we should now either press for reforms by all member states, or cut our ties with the court because it is, increasingly gaining influence over the UK courts by trivialising and over-extending the concept of human rights into areas where it really doesn't belong.

Whatever, the first step by a Conservative government with a majority in parliament (it currently does not have) is to repeal The Human Rights Act of 1998 to regain control back to our courts on more domestic issues, while adhering to the original aims and purposes of the ECHR on big picture Human Rights abuses, signed way back before John Wayne was a cowboy.

Spinflight….when a new political party gets very gobby and say that they are an alternative to existing political parties, but have no domestic policies and their main EU policy they CAN NOT deliver, why wouldn’t anyone who follows politics get gobby back?

Few people realise how bad our situation was in 2010 and bad decisions then, could have taken the UK over the economic and social edge, so with clear choices in ideology at the next election, who needs a cult like 4th party, with many blindly following a leader, just like the Moonies?

Most people not realise a coalition of any permutation does not work, Ukip only make the likelihood of a coalition a sure bet, to what end re the good of this country?

Wow there are some really nasty people out there...

And they all seem to hate UKIP!

ttosca…..you keep talking about “the Tory Scum”, yet you clearly belong to, and support the policies a Labour Party who did not just BETRAY the people that SAY they represent, but everyone in this country – having had the best decade in over 100-years to shape society and this country for the better.

Here is the summary, enjoy the achievements of a Labour Party with a huge parliamentary majority over an uninterrupted 13-year period, that if ANYONE who supported them had a conscience, they would shun both them and their failed ideology, as traitors not just failures.

Labour were the most spun media controlled and corrupt administration in living memory with ‘Blairs cash for Lordships’ investigated by the police and MP expenses totally out of hand on THEIR watch and Labour’s Parliament Speaker Michael Martin running the show, Knighted for his services to MP’s expenses.

Pro EU without trusting the people to vote… pro swing door immigration from 2004 for personal gain AND without increasing home building to make room …with 580,000 under 25-year olds here already unemployed... pro dumbed down education results to make the thick feel better rather than raise standards…pro needless laws/police State… pro Human Rights Act in 1998 causing so many ‘rights’ problems.

Pro killer germ infested NHS hospitals hiring more managers than nurses.. pro saddling hospital with 25-year Private Finance Initiative debts….pro 24-hour drinking, gambling and declassifying drugs….pro expensive quangos costing over £70 bil a year to run.. pro expensive to run local government (with non jobs) leading to Council Tax hikes up 110% on their watch..

Pro raiding private pension funds from 1998 to near final salary extinction...pro screwing state pensioners with derisory annual State pension e.g. 75p in 2000….pro raising the lower band tax rate to screw the poor in 2007…pro sale of 40% of UK gold reserves under $300 an ounce versus $1.900 high…..pro relaxation of banking regulation to dangerous levels pre financial crash..…pro sending 1 million of our manufacturing jobs elsewhere by 2005 BEFORE the crash

Pro lying to go to war and without equipping soldiers with basic kit and helicopters... ….pro nuclear energy to stop lights going off in 2015, but didn’t get around to building any.…pro defence/Trident, who knows, let someone else get around to it….and leaving us less domestic food production secure than in 1997.

With a balanced budget in 2002/3 having adopted 1997 Tory spending plans, pro ANNUAL budget deficit MORE than £160 bil a year in 2010 and national debt of £1.5 trillion by 2015 needing unpopular austerity, or go the way of bankrupt Greece…….pro equality but left power in 2010 with more inequality than in 1997…and finally as mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, pro increased taxes to pay for ALL their incompetence (that will then kill economic growth), they never got around to telling us about in any detail, but like death, you know it is coming.

People should check out the above and see how many of those Labour policies badly affected them and THEN decide who is “the scum”, an incompetent Labour Party, or the party in 1979 and 2010 that has to dig the country out of Labour’s hole.

If they are seriously popular it can only be because they appeal to the mean ugly heart of the DM reading public of this country. sad

UKIP are popular because of sentiment: I hatred and mistrust of the mainstream parties. They're not popular because of policies. They're a protest party - especially that the Lib Dems have shown themselves to be Tory enablers.

Unfortunately, there are people like claig who will foolishly vote for UKIP, hoping to 'stick it to the man', having no idea what their policies are, and more important what the consequences would be should they gain power.

The outcome would not be favourable to 'the common man' at all.

claig

'Because MPs - of all parties - have shown themselves to be sensible, and trustworthy, right?'

Not all parties. Not New Labour

Did you just miss the point entirely? Has your logic failed you?

If you don't trust New Labour, or Labour, or any party at all, then you should support the HRA to help prevent abuse of power.

I don't care how much you love the Tory scum or idiotic reactionary UKIP, you can't guarantee that either will be in power in the future. None of us can guarantee any particular party will be in government - that's precisely why we need legislation to prevent abuse of power.

Nigel Farage on women for example, UKIP on gay marriages and meteorology, UKIP on hitting people with rolled up brochures...

In the first link we can see that the construct of Farage as a 'normal working class man' with his pint is tosh, his father was a stockbroker and he was educated at Dulwich College. He dismissed his own manifesto as drivel - not wrong there, but people would seriously vote for a man who failed to read his own manifesto?

They are a single issue pressure group - to leave Europe. Like all single issue pressure groups they fall apart on any serious policy making or when asked to come up with anything coherent. Like a Residents Association who come together on some NIMBY issue and then expect to share a common belief on how they should manage a community hall or whether parking spaces or trees are a good thing, or speed humps or a wind turbines...but the only thing that remains is the mean ugly heart of the original NIMBYISM. If they are seriously popular it can only be because they appeal to the mean ugly heart of the DM reading public of this country.