Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

BoneyBackJefferson ..... EVERYONE generally wants the same things, depending on where they are in life; the question is, with the resources we have, which political party has the best policies to sustain 'services' at a decent level.

That's not the question at all. We are the 5th richest nation on the planet and yet have a social security system and infrastructure far worse than many european countries.

The UK has enough wealth to security and a decent standard of living for everyone.

The ruling class has made a political choice to enforce austerity on the public because they think they can get away with it.

Oh look, yet another racist UKIP councillor:

UKIP councillor Dave Small suspended by party over racism claims

A UKIP councillor has been suspended by his party over claims he made racist and homophobic comments on Facebook.

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch Borough Council's Church Hill ward on Friday, now faces a disciplinary hearing.

It is alleged Mr Small called African migrants "scroungers" and Clare Balding and Sir Elton John "perverts" because of their sexualities.

The Facebook page has now been taken down and Mr Small has not commented.

Speaking on the BBC's Sunday Politics show, UKIP MEP James Carver said he had brought the issue up with the party.

He said there would be a "fair and thorough" investigation.

UKIP said the suspension had been made with immediate effect, but made no other comment, other than to confirm Mr Small was now facing a disciplinary hearing.

Redditch Borough Council said that as the alleged comments were believed to have been made before he became a councillor, it was not seen as a matter for the authority.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-27565266

Yeah, funny how we always seem to have enough money for war....

"EVERYONE generally wants the same things"

How do you know this? everybody generally prioritises things differently.

If someone earns hundreds of thousands and has private health care I doubt cares that much about the NHS.

Do those with children in private education care that much about state education?

At what age should someone become concerned about their pension, or health care, or child benefit?

One size doesn't fit all, that is why we have so many political parties.

BoneyBackJefferson ..... EVERYONE generally wants the same things, depending on where they are in life; the question is, with the resources we have, which political party has the best policies to sustain 'services' at a decent level.

If this country had a £100 billion surplus, rather than deficit, it is a totally different question - 'how can we best spend this years £100 billion to better the lives of the peeps'?

A deficit means all taxpayers money is treated like gold, and how do we as a country allocate it competently across so many areas of need.

It really is that simple, any political party offering gimmicks to be different, will be found out very quickly when asked to 'cost it', or what spending they want to ditch, to make room for it.

When dropping the ball, back to basics, in rugby parlance.

Isit

You asked and I answered you seem to see everything as a cost, that everything is about losing money.

You want answers to the "financial crisis". this is what you "need" from a government.

I am starting at a point before all of your cost concerns.

What do the people want?
What concerns do they have?

Only by finding these things out can you start applying a cost value to them.

BoneyBackJefferson .... there you go again with the "needs", what are the "needs" that don't need money we have not got - and what do you think of what the Coalition has done so far with a £157 billion deficit re pensions, tax cuts, national insurance cuts, business stimulation = 1 .5 million new jobs (over 1 million full time) since 2010 etc?

The government spending waste and financial crash was under Labour's watch - and what opportunity has government missed re the banks, make them all like RBS and Lloyds, destroy shareholder value (which is us) while other banks in the world NOT part nationalised saw their equity prices double/treble, without government control.

If you mean the Uk could sort out the International Capital Markets, raising trillions globally every year for government/companies/jobs and is responsible for global growth over the past 30-years - putting £60 to £100 bil a year in tax receipts to the UK exchequer prior to the 2007/8 crash - please explain what we have 'missed'.

Isit

Personally I would like the main parties to listen and respond to the needs of the electorate [not just their well off mates (that goes for all the main parties)]

I agree that the government has thrown a lot of money at public services but they did the same for the banks and fluffed a major opportunity to sort that system out.

BoneyBackJefferson ….. Re your question “what will the 3-main parties do”, regarding what, after all the money had gone??

The Public Services had a huge amount of (unreformed) money thrown at them under Labour, but how much of that got to ‘the front line’ to improve services over the medium term – wasn’t only 10% of the police out on the streets at any one time and how much NHS money went on the likes of GP salaries for less hours?

I know people don’t want to hear it, but in 2010 this country was ANNUALLY spending £157 billion a year MORE than what we earn - and although the Coalition has reduced that to just over £100 billion annually - we NOW have a National Debt of £1,270,000,000,000 (£1.27 trillion) and it is costing £52 billion a year (that could be spent on something else) to cover the interest on that debt.

So UNLESS we want tax rises for everyone to help balance our annual budget (as putting all the rich ‘up against the wall’ and taking all their money won’t cover that lot), our governments need to get ‘more services for of less taxpayers money’ – which is what the coalition is trying to do, but keep getting pushed back by those in the Public Sector used to massive increases in budgets, to do what they wanted.

THAT (DEBT) IS THE LIMITATION ON UK POLITICAL LIFE, we were near national bankruptcy in 2010 due to the annual costs of running our country and come 2015, no matter who is in power, we will still have a huge annual overspend – the question is, who has the best policies to keep taxes down and GROW our way out of the debt.

That is why I can’t wait for Ukip’s manifesto in September, as if they are the ‘alternative’ to responsible trimming back of our expenditure/debt (rather than keep piling debt on to our grandchildren’s grandchildren to pay off) and giving the people a better life now – bring it on, lets see your solutions.

P.S. The Public should demand ALL parties put out firm spend/tax plans in 2015, as too often surprise taxes come in after the election once they've won e.g 1997.

Wet August, indeed. The middle class is disappearing.

Historically, once the middle classes are eroded, that's when things start happening...

Very true Housewife. But it's not the middle classes who are to blame. They are just as much stuffed by the ruling political elite as everyone else us

Working class people and the underprivileged have been completely neglected because we live in a society so divided that the middle classes can cocoon themselves off from the dire situation that exists for a large number of people. There is class segregation.

They don't see the failing NHS, the dysfunctional benefit system, don't need social workers or payday lenders. They don't worry about whether their teen will come home alive, or prevent their children from going to the playground because of drug dealers. They don't need to live in crowded conditions and put up with incompetent local services.

None of the recent governments have truly addressed any of these things, they swoosh on with a shiny new idea which appeases a handful of voters but doesn't address the extreme inequality that exists in Britain today. Because they don't really understand that it exists, they lead separate lives as do their voters.

They bussed a load of oap's to my polling station. They know who to target. They know to target those that are disenfranchised or disheartened and there are lots of those.
The country feels broken and after years of the Torys making things worse not better..It is no wonder people are looking for someone anyone with something to say.

ttosca- from what you 've said on here, I guesss you disagree with plum pumage.

Isit

Its going to be interesting to see if the main parties take the Euro elections on board and try to change (Labour has no manifesto and the lib dems will have to do something quite special) or whether they sit back as traditionally most of their voters return for a general election.

France’s Front Nationale did so well mainly DUE to the dire economic situation under a socialist government -and as it is unlikely that France’s penal taxes/low growth/near 11% unemployment will turn around sufficiently come the next general election – there will now be huge political risk associated with France until that election, and almost certainly after.

“How Francois Hollande changed but Ed Miliband stayed the same.”
www.trendingcentral.com/francois-hollande-changed-ed-miliband-stayed/

“Back in the summer of 2012, Ed Miliband was exalting his new hero across the channel, French president François Hollande. The Labour leader could not have been more generous in his praise for his opposite number in the French Socialist Party:”

Miliband quote: “What President Hollande is seeking to do in France and what he is seeking to do in leading the debate in Europe is find that different way forward. We are in agreement in seeking that new way that needs to be found and I think can be found.”

As the UK will either have a Cameron or Miliband led administration after our next General Election, unfortunately (for the British electorate seemingly oblivious to that fact) it will come a few years too early to see the economic/social damage a continual rise of France’s Front National will have from a much higher base - as Le Pen polled just under 18% in the 1st round of the French Presidential Vote in 2012.

France is now screwed for the medium term; votes for Ukip in 2015, unlike 2010 which ‘just’ caused a Conservative ‘largest party’, will ensue that Labour is at least ‘the largest party’ and due to the demise of the Lib Dems, be no doubt heading up an unworkable coalition, possibly or 3 or 4 political parties.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100270514/it-wont-take-much-for-ukip-to-destroy-the-tories-at-the-2015-general-election/

ttosca

You are telling people not to vote UKIP because a/ they are racist and b/ because they are fascists.

You are also saying that voting UKIP is not a protest vote.

You haven't (as far as I can tell) backed any of these points up with any facts based on policies or manifesto.

Most of what is being posted is media spin.

First Thoughts on the EU elections

By Prue Plumridge

The UKIP campaigned on an anti-europe ticket.

My question is:

If they are anti-europe why have they not declared their position on the Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership currently being negotiated behind closed doors?

They have been surprisingly quiet on the issue. Now why could this be? It would have been a powerful weapon in their campaign against the EU.

Let’s remember that Nigel Farage’s great hero is Thatcher.

Her pursuit of the neoliberal ideologies of deregulation, privatisation and trade liberalisation have left behind a destructive legacy which we are now more than ever reaping the consequences of. Time will prove (I am certain) Farage’s hypocrisy and deception.

We should be clear that the UKIP are libertarians who believe in free market economics and this is the economic model currently being promoted by an unelected, undemocratic cabal of EU commissioners who are negotiating a trade deal with the US that will favour globalisation and the continuing ascendancy and undemocratic power of the big corporations.

Clearly there is a dissonance between what Ukip supporters believe the party stands for and reality.

Whether they are in denial or their support is a protest against the established parties it matters not. There will be tears before bed-time if we continue to think of this party as a group of fruitcakes or loonies or purely a focus for protest. They are cleverly dissimulating their real agenda and the next few months will be interesting as surely they will have to nail their colours to the wall.

It may seem to some that I am expressing anti-EU sentiment. I hasten to add that I am not. I believe that our future lies within the EU. Not the current austerity imposing neoliberal juggernaut which is bringing Europe to its knees but a properly democratic EU which is socially just, acts for the benefit of its citizens and ultimately remembers its history.

I wrote an article, in May last year, for Think Left. ( think-left.org/2013/05/04/on-fascism-and-facts-ukip-the-strategic-adversary/). A year on I stand by it. The rise of the right throughout Europe is, whether we like it or not, an articulation of the fear being expressed by its citizens over continuing uncertainty and fear for the future. Citizens, however have not woken up yet, to the fact that the Right including UKIP are only offering more of the same.

The Left need now to rise to the challenge and show there is another fairer and more socially just way.

think-left.org/2014/05/26/first-thoughts-on-the-eu-elections/

"but I am telling you that you need to improve your reading comprehension skills."

I said this because you tried to tell me what I was saying, which was incorrect.

You either deliberately misunderstood me or didn't understand. Stating an opinion is not 'telling people how to vote' in the sense that you mean.

I have no control over how anyone here votes. Saying that voting UKIP isn't a protest vote is a perfectly legitimate thing to say.

you said that non white people tend to be immigrants. That's all I need to know.about where you are coking from.

Yes, people self-identify as 'white' and 'non-white'. That doesn't mean that it is a biological category.

I ask you again, what would your policy be to control immigration? which party resonates with you?

We already have immigration controls. For the most part, if therre is going to be free movement of Capital, then there must be free movement of labour. If you have the former without the latter, you increase poverty, inequality, and political strife, while decreasing opportunities.

UKIp arent fascist

UKIP are fascist.

ttosca

Yes, it's called debate and argument.

debate is when you give reasons that you justify.

"but I am telling you that you need to improve your reading comprehension skills."

belittling someone is not debating, but it is the same level of skill that you have shown so far on the thread.

you said that non white people tend to be immigrants. That's all I need to know.about where you are coking from. I ask you again, what would your policy be to control immigration? which party resonates with you?
UKIp arent fascist

Ango-Saxon and Normal immigrants.

'Norman' ;)

Most people wouldn't agree with you that they are fascist. It's your opinion, obviously not shared by everyone, Britain is not a fascist country.

UKIP doesn't represent Britain. They have a small number of local councils and no Parliamentary seats.

Even if we had proportional representation in the national elections, they would still probably only gain a tiny number of seats in Parliament.

Secondly, UKIP are fascist.

I agree that Britain generally doesn't support facists parties, and the majority of the public don't support UKIP.

Those who do support UKIP seem to mostly be voting for them as a protest vote - to give the mainstream parties a bloody nose. I agree that perhaps the majority of UKIP voters themselves aren't racist. However, they are voting for a racist party.