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EU Elections 2014; time to finally vote for the BEST MEP candidates?

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Isitmebut · 16/01/2014 11:41

To most people in the UK the European Elections in May 2014 will either be a big yawn, a chance to protest about Europe, or chance to protest about UK domestic policies – and if recent turnout figures of 38% in 2004 and 35% in 2009 are a guide, it will be apathy that determines your constituencies MEP’s.

But how many people are aware that they may get a say in our membership of the E.U. - and that whether we stay ‘in’ or ‘out’ of the EU - they are sending their regional representatives to Brussels on huge salaries and expenses, averaging around £182,000 a year.

Indeed, one senior UK MEP who shall remain nameless, but is still in office, told the Observer in May 2009 that he had already claimed close to £2 million just in expenses, way back then.

So what I have trouble getting my head around, is just how expensive the protest vote can be, not just in monetary terms, but also in the quality of muppet, of any political party, we send over to Europe to represent out interests.

So while I ‘get it’ that in the past, a EU membership protest vote usually meant that the town fruitcake could get the taxpayers jolly to heckle a foreign bureaucrat, or two, on your behalf, but to but to reiterate the point, and a similar shock could await the independence referendum in Scotland, what happens if there was a surprise ‘yes’ vote and we are being represented by a bigger bunch of half wits, on far bigger remuneration packages, than the usual suspects in Westminster?

So IF/WHEN an E.U. Referendum is guaranteed by law, on every practical level, isn’t it far better to have VOTED for the best MEP candidate within a constituency, to PROMOTE the interests/views of that constituency, REGARDLESS of which UK political ‘tribal’ colours they wear – rather than take pot luck that around 37% of the voters get it right?

Remember no one party can wave their expensive MEP magic wand and GUARANTEE that the UK leaves Europe, as only a parliamentary majority in the house of commons of 326 seats, against the ‘never will leave’ political party’s, could even BEGIN the process of changing the necessary laws.

Isitmebut the EU has morphed from a useful Common Market of several large industrial trading nations to an ever larger expensive and inefficient Federation of Europe, that needs to change to be internationally competitive.

But whether it changes or not, ‘the people’ have to be trusted to have their say, and the only practical way I can see that EVER happening, is via an all party politically binding Referendum in 2017.

What are your thoughts?

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Spinflight · 04/02/2014 00:45

I seem to recall that each MEP costs the taxpayer just shy of £2 million per year.

Hence the bill to Blighty from the old, failed, parties is over £500 million since 2009.

With the possible exception of Daniel Hannan I could have gone down to the local stationery shop and bought a rubber stamp for £5 which would have done the same job.

I have an interest in politics but couldn't name a single new Labour or libdem MEP and only two tories. Even if you gave me some names I singularly doubt that I could find a single thing that any of them have done to further our country's interests.

Isitmebut · 23/01/2014 20:08

Who ARE NewKip, or what has really changed from Ukip, as on the BBC’s Daily Politics today Nigel Farage didn’t have many new policies, didn’t even ‘recognise’ many of their 2010 policies, even the ones currently on their own website.

Not one of his best TV appearances, he needed to get specific, as he will from now to the MEP elections in May and even more so, by the General Election in 2015. Ooops..

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-national-front-after-a-series-of-political-setbacks-it-seems-marine-le-pen-is-not-so-mighty-as-all-that-9081199.html

“In the European elections in May, when turnout will be low, the NF (French National Front) still hopes – like UKIP in Britain – to top the poll nationally. But pollsters are beginning to ask whether the popularity of Marine Le Pen, like a racehorse or athlete, has “peaked too soon”.

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flatpackhamster · 22/01/2014 19:00

Who aren't the Tories.

Isitmebut · 20/01/2014 21:32

Thank you for filling in the practical detail, I had not recalled all that (but know I voted lol), but I guess my message still stands, apathy has ended up promoting the wrong 'tribe' and taken as a protest vote.

Unless we get a referendum, we are staying in the EU, protests go so far, it is time to send the BEST of all tribes.

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TheHammaconda · 20/01/2014 15:51

Isitme

So IF/WHEN an E.U. Referendum is guaranteed by law, on every practical level, isn’t it far better to have VOTED for the best MEP candidate within a constituency, to PROMOTE the interests/views of that constituency, REGARDLESS of which UK political ‘tribal’ colours they wear – rather than take pot luck that around 37% of the voters get it right?

The European Parliamentary elections use a regional party list system to elect MEPs for a constituency. You don't vote for an individual candidate, your vote goes to a party. The seats in each constituency are then allocated according to the share of the vote and parties candidates are given seats depending on where they lie in the party's list. It is a tribal system.

The MEP who has claimed around £2 million in expenses has one of the worst parliamentary attendance records too.

You're right though, the turnout in the European elections. It's shocking.

Isitmebut · 18/01/2014 17:16

Carrying on the ‘protest vote’ theme, it won’t be news to people that voters generally have short memories, but lets look at the Lib Dem Party as a current example.

If you think about it, if Nick Clegg had NOT formed a coalition with the Tories (20 odd seats SHORT of a 2010 Common’s majority), based on the near 4-year ‘oppose everything’ opposition party’s strategy, EVERY decision made by a minority government within those 4-years, would have been a parliamentary bun fight – resulting in country/market chaos, with interest rates way higher than they were.

Yet within a recent May European Election poll, the Lib Dems who have been a solid pro E.U. party (along with Labour), IF voting intensions came out as polled, the Lib Dems would NOT HAVE ONE MEP in Brussels when we might end up STAYIING in Europe, why?

Especially as they have done nothing wrong IN EUROPE, other than represent their constituencies based on an E.U. membership ratified by the Lisbon Treaty into UK law, just before the last election.

Moreover, the Lib Dems look somewhat more honest than the rest of the political parties in the poll, as others have tried to ‘erase’ their speeches and policies, even whole manifesto’s off their websites ahead of the 2014 European and 2015 General, elections.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

Both Labour and the Conservatives look dodgy pre 2010 elections, whereas Ukip have erased all their speeches Pre march last year and the highly right wing manifesto of 2010. Why?

Who says in politics ‘honesty is the BEST policy?

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