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There'll be other great directors to come that will make the movies that expose the scams. Say hi to the polar bears from me

See you next time.

Damn, Pakula is dead, it would have been a great subject for him. I'll be with the bears in Churchill soon, I'll give them you regards. Non-MN life calls, so until the next time.

"But we do not know GB was wrong"

True. There is always a chance that Gordon was right. But he also said that he had "ended boom and bust" and that turned out to be spectacularly wrong.

"but my first thought is not not 'big conspiracy'"
Yes, that is most people's first thought, but on second thoughts many change their minds.

' I have no idea where truth lies'
addenuf, look into it. It really is a fascinating subject. It is too big to go into here, but it affects all our futures and is at the core of their scam. BBCI is nothing compared to the global warming scam. One day the book will be written on it and the movies will be made on it, but until then we will be shown pictures of the polar bear.

But we do not know GB was wrong. He didn't mean end of the world on day 51, did he? I certainly don't know how much human activity affects our climate, but my first thought is not not 'big conspiracy' ( and one of my favorite films is 'The Parallax View').

By the way, I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I have no idea where truth lies, or if it exists.
Apologies for delay in response, I was famished.

' Everybody knows'? You know they do not , so why assert it?'

Good point. I was exaggerating. I should have said some people know.

'Do you believe BBC viewers are less astute then Fox or Sky ones (and these aren't discrete groups.'

I don't think they are more astute, just more interested in the truth. No they are not discrete, they watch both, as I do myself, however, i believe that some choose to watch one more than the other.

'There are no absolutes in these matters, neither, I believe, 'real truth'.'

I think there is a real truth. I think there is absolute truth. Either catstrophic climate change nd the 'tipping point' is real or it isn't.

"Even scientists acknowledge that the certainties of today will not all prevail."
Exactly, which is why I believe that what is called 'climate science' will be debunked and its political roots will eventually be exposed.

"I do not 'know' anything, I only believe to know and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone."
I know that Gordon Brown was exaggerating when he said 2we have only 50 days left to save the planet' and I am sure I am not alone. In fact I heard someone say we had 51 days.

but both Sky and Fox are less politically correct and less politically controlled by the elite

Oh dear.

Here is why I and millions of others prefer to watch Sky News over the elite's broadcasting corporation's, BBC News 24.

This is Sky which is a tamer version of Fox, but both Sky and Fox are less politically correct and less politically controlled by the elite and therefore are allowed to go where the BBC and the others fear to tread. That means that they give more glimpses of the real truth. But of course you cannot expect the whole truth from them, for that you need to go to some of the conspiracy theorists.

Here Sky devotes 7 minutes to a debate which the BBC would not even broadcast.

OK, I have watched it. Of course it is Fox propaganda. We all know that.

Everybody knows that what you see on the news or read in the papers is based on a political agenda and is often dictated by powerful political and financial interests behind the scenes.

Everybody knows that Fox wants to promote the elite's "clash of civilizations" philosophy and depict Muslims in a negative light, and everybody knows that the BBC wants to promote the elite's population plans by promoting global warming and pictures of the polar bear.

Everybody knows that you will only find out about some of the actors on the stage by reading newspapers (including the great Daily Mail) but that you can't find out the real truth from those sources. Everybody knows that for the truth, only the conspiracy theorists can be of some use.

The anchor in that clip was not an experienced spinner, she presumably had been given a brief to promote the elite's "clash of civilizations" but she was not up to it.

Fox viewers aren't stupid. They know that Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet. They can see through the spin and they know what Fox's spin is, just as they know what the BBC's spin is.

But Fox spent 10 minutes discussing that book and it is an interesting subject and may have interested some viewers to buy the book and think.
It is better than a BBC 10 minute report on the polar bear or a 10 minute report on what Beckham has been up to lately.

Haven't seen it before, but am watching it now

argh...never mind

oops...dunno what went wrong there

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'Why do people watch Fox News?'
For a closer representation of the truth than is available in the progressive media.

That's the funniest thing I've read for a while. Claig, have you watched this piece of 'truth'?

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Agreed!

Anything that gives the people more say and a greater voice is a step in the right direction.

Zac Goldsmith campaigns for a recall system for MPs, where citizens in a constituency can dismiss an MP if they have lost faith in them and if they win a vote after enough of them sign a petition

There is a major danger in internet and computer voting. It is that they can fix the results. We have had postal vote possible problems too. Nothing beats the old-fashioned ballot box where opponents can check that the counting is accurate. But as fewer people turn out to vote, the system loses its mandate and so they want voting to become easier with postal voting or electronic voting.

Yes, we need a more representative Swiss-style referenda based system. But of course, they will never grant us that, because then we would vote them out.

The reason that UKIP are rising and the reason that the Tea Party rose is because they are not stuffed full of Oxbridge and Ivy School elites, they may contain some fruitcakes, but they are essentially ordinary people with ordinary concerns. They are the type of people who don't think it is a "bad day for britain" if Parliament votes for no action against Syria.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/425658/Syria-vote-a-victory-for-Farage-AND-Assad-blasts-furious-Paddy-Ashdown

But of course, the Tea Party are also controlled and are used by the elite.

Of course, this doesn't address some of the biggest issues that our political masters have conspired to smother debate on over the years and there is no guarantee that, even with direct democracy, many topics would ever be tabled. Think how much democratic choice, or even parliamentary debate, we've had on the following issues; Climate Change, Europe, Immigration, the Blair Wars, university tuition fees or the size and purpose of the state. It's lamentable really and I can't see that changing any time soon.

With regards to overhauling our democracy and making it more suited to our needs, I think the parties need to take some of the blame for this problem. Politics is becoming an ever more elitist pursuit where the criteria for entry is, ever increasingly, a private school education, an Oxbridge PPE degree and an internship / non-job with the political party of your choice. We end up where we have a cadre of (multi) millionaires, across both parties, telling the rest of us that they understand our worries and that "we're all in it together". If only.

There is one glimmer of hope out there though. The prominent Tory backbencher, Douglas Carswell (privately educated, didn't do PPE at Oxbridge AFAIK), has some interesting ideas about the future of democracy. Amongst these ideas is that with the internet etc, direct democracy could be brought in. In essence, the current house of parliament devolves the voting on parliamentary bills back to the people through micro-referenda. This means the current HoP is reduced to setting the referenda question and rubber stamping our decision.

Good night, ohmymini

They think we are so stupid that we will believe what pop stars and actors and soap stars and footballer and celebs say. That is the progressives of course and their charity fundraisers and celebs and all the rest. Fox gets some credibility because it mocks them just as the people mock them.

“The world can decide in a fit of madness to kill itself,” announced Bob Geldof at the launch of the One Young World summit in Johannesburg. “Sometimes progress may not be possible.

“We're in a very fraught time,” he added. “There will be a mass extinction event. That could happen on your watch.

“The signs are that it will happen and soon.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/10353206/Were-facing-a-mass-extinction-event-claims-Bob-Geldof.html

What did he say?
Don't forget that that is the message that they are constantly trying to sell us in movies and news and elsewhere. We can't help being influenced by what we are constantly told.