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Ha ha ha! Even the lefties have had enough

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Wellwobbly · 23/07/2013 11:50

Michael Heaver:

Unite's workers have had enough of funding the underclass
By Michael Heaver

Don't be fooled by the banners: Unite members support the welfare cap
There are some interesting findings in Lord Ashcroft's poll of Unite members. For instance, only seven per cent plan to vote for the do-gooder Liberal Democrats while 12 per cent plan to vote for the supposedly Thatcherite Ukip.
One thing is clear in the study though: the working people within Unite have had enough of being taxed to the hilt in order to pay for the bone-idle underclass that Labour created. A huge 86 per cent of Unite members agree that the Government is right to introduce a benefit cap on each household.
Despite Labour's hysterical shrieking, the workers don't want to be popular with people who claim every benefit going in order to enjoy a lifestyle that they couldn't fund themselves. It is a stark contrast: those in Unite who get up and work versus their neighbours, friends and even family members who chose not to. Those who contribute to the system have clearly had enough of unlimited welfare payments. Rightly so.
Other findings in the poll show Unite's members to be far more Right-wing than the likes of Ed Miliband: 71 per cent of them don't think councils should have to provide sites for travellers and 59 per cent don't want to see the top rate of tax raised to 75p. Socialism isn't very popular amongst Britain's working class.
Sadly, 49 per cent of Unite members still say they'll vote Labour, but that will largely be either out of public-sector self-interest or tribal voting handed down from generation to generation fuelled by a hatred of the Tories. It isn't, tellingly, because they actually agree with the party's social or economic stances. In the long term, Labour's traditional base will increasingly migrate away from it as Labour stands up for welfare and not the working man.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/07/2013 14:52

I'd rather you didn't call me a liar but, that aside, I'd say you'd learn far more about what working-class people actually think and what experiences we have if you engage with us one-to-one rather than copy/pasting the opinions of people who, judging by their ignorance, treat 'the working class' as some kind of sociological experiment.

JuliaScurr · 26/07/2013 14:49

of course people suspect each other! We've heard nothing but fraud/scams/skivers/blah for years.
they tend to adjust their views when they become disabled or redundant

ttosca · 26/07/2013 14:40

There's only so many times anyone can put things down to 'rhetoric' and 'bullshit'. Fact is that, in a lot of working class areas, people are living cheek by jowl with those who they either know or suspect are getting something for nothing. Nothing to do with what newspaper they read or what political party they support.

Oh, is this like Ian Duncan Smith's "I firmly believe" statement which he makes when his assertions have no basis in fact?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/07/2013 14:29

There's only so many times anyone can put things down to 'rhetoric' and 'bullshit'. Fact is that, in a lot of working class areas, people are living cheek by jowl with those who they either know or suspect are getting something for nothing. Nothing to do with what newspaper they read or what political party they support.

ttosca · 26/07/2013 13:56

The economy's finally back on the up, the welfare changes are popular, the union troubles have set them back and it's the Coalition team smiling on the way into the summer break.

The economy is being propped up housing prices again, and is creating another bubble.

Secondly, this temporary return to growth misses out on two facts:

a) We've lost 3 years of growth thanks to austerity.

b) People living standards (that is, the vast majority of Brits who aren't rich) continue to decline, growth or not.

ttosca · 26/07/2013 13:53

But anyone who has grown up, lived and worked among people who are very clearly taking the piss will be much less dewy-eyed and more hard-nosed about it than those who have never experienced hardship.

Those 'taking the piss' account for less than 1% of welfare claimants.

More money is not claimed which people are legally entitled to claim than is lost through fraud.

So this whole idea of large swaths of the country - the worker vs shirker rhetoric - is complete and utter bullshit.

TabithaStephens · 26/07/2013 13:24

There really aren't that many working-class union members left anymore. It's mostly middle-class public sector professionals.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/07/2013 09:26

Labour being deliberately vague about everything at the moment, really. Hmm The economy's finally back on the up, the welfare changes are popular, the union troubles have set them back and it's the Coalition team smiling on the way into the summer break.

LunaticFringe · 26/07/2013 09:24

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ProphetOfDoom · 26/07/2013 09:18

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/07/2013 09:08

Funnily enough, I was having a conversation with someone on those lines yesterday. We're both from a working class background and felt that the people most likely to expect others to roll their sleeves up, contribute and not expect everyone else to give them a free ride are those that follow the same ethos themselves. Doesn't mean working-class people aren't sympathetic to genuine plight, far from it. If someone genuinely needs help, there's none better. But anyone who has grown up, lived and worked among people who are very clearly taking the piss will be much less dewy-eyed and more hard-nosed about it than those who have never experienced hardship.

SolomanDaisy · 23/07/2013 11:55

Poorly written and bad analysis. A bit of a triumph to make such a crappy article out of interesting data.

ouryve · 23/07/2013 11:54

Oh, well done. You know how to copy and paste.

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OnTheNingNangNong · 23/07/2013 11:53

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