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Homebase let cat out of the bag about using workfare to reduce wage bills

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ttosca · 05/04/2013 10:11

Only someone very naive could believe private firms are participating in the government?s workfare scheme because they want to provide work experience for unemployed people out of the goodness of their own hearts and not as a way of reducing their wage bills by using forced labour at taxpayers? expense.

But ask any of them and they?ll swear the workfare people they?ve taken on are extra to their requirements and are not ? repeat not ? replacing jobs they would normally have had to pay someone a proper wage to do.

Well. It looks like Homebase have accidentally let the cat out of the bag.

Here?s a poster currently displayed on the wall in the manager?s office of Homebase Haringey ? which clearly shows the company is using workfare as a means to reduce their payroll costs:

tompride.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/homebase-workfare.jpg?w=529&h=715

This is particularly interesting, as Homebase have recently been lying to telling the public they?re not participating in workfare at all. See my previous post about that here:

Homebase are so embarrassed about using workfare ? they?re reduced to lying about it

Looks like Homebase just can?t stop themselves telling porky pies about workfare, doesn?t it?

tompride.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/oops-homebase-let-cat-out-of-the-bag-about-using-workfare-to-reduce-wage-bills/

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CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:40

Are you always so defeatist, Claig, or only about policies that you agree with?

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:39

YOU gain some of those skills then, Claig.

Because most of these people on workfare ARE trained and experienced in their previous employment areas.

Why do they need to be exploited either for big business OR for 'public good', when those jobs could be given to them as paid jobs?!

If the job is there, and needs doing, then PAY SOMEONE to do that job. Or don't expect it done.

Surely THAT is the 'free market' that the Tories seem to hold in such high regard?

It will NEVER be a 'free market' as long as some sections of Society are being exploited.

claig · 05/04/2013 23:39

I would prefer that they gave people on workfare the minimum wage. But what I think doesn't count. I think they should scrap the Climate Act, but they won't do it.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:35

Rained = reasoned.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:35

A fair day's pay for a fair days work.

Which workfare isn't. If you were to work 40 hours for your £71 JSA, that comes out as just under £1.78 / hr.

When you consider that NMW is £6.19 / hr, people on Workfare are underpaid by £4.41 / hr.

Or that they are being paid less than 29% of the minimum that their labour is worth.

Would YOU agree to being paid just 29% of your current salary? No? Then you have no choice but to admit that workfare is wrong!

Because if it would be wrong for YOU to devalue your labour by working for just 29% of what that labour should be worth, then it is ALSO wrong to expect those currently unemployed to devalue their labour by working for just 29% of the MINIMUM that their labour should be worth.

Unless you have a rained argument to that, then case closed, workfare is wrong!

claig · 05/04/2013 23:32

'OK Claig, YOU work for less than NMW then. Unless YOU are willing to do so to 'rebuild our Country' then why the FUCK should anybody else?!'

Don't blame me, I didn't create teh policy. New Labour began the process and Iain Duncan Smith implemented it. It is happening now. People are doing it. There is nothing I can do about it. No one asked my opinion. But since it is happening, I think people should gain real skills by doing things that help teh community rather than stores to stack shelves.

claig · 05/04/2013 23:30

'Alex jones is all over the internet along with other "nationalist zealots and survivalists" conspiracy theories abound, they even interview these people on main stream U.S news channels.'

That is exactly why many people say he works for the system. There are other conspiracy theorists that they won't interview, but they always have Alex Jones on.

'Do you think they would interview me? no because I am a marxist. Of course they wouldn't.'

Of course they would. Marxists are in most university departments. Eric Hobsbawn is a national treasure and Marxist intellectuals are the intellectual elite. They are more likely to interview a Marxist than a representive of the people and the people's paper - a Daiily Mail journalist.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:27

OK Claig, YOU work for less than NMW then. Unless YOU are willing to do so to 'rebuild our Country' then why the FUCK should anybody else?!

claig · 05/04/2013 23:26

'We didn't have a global warming agenda when we discovered steam'

They hadn't thought the scam up then. But at the time the elite had their Reverend Malthus and teh message is the same as it was then. Only now they are much more sophisticated and capital is global and communication and mass media is instant.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs · 05/04/2013 23:25

Glad to see I'm not the only person outside the Hebrides that knows about the Skye bridge travesty!

MiniTheMinx · 05/04/2013 23:25

Marx turned hegel on its head.

MiniTheMinx · 05/04/2013 23:24

Alex jones is all over the internet along with other "nationalist zealots and survivalists" conspiracy theories abound, they even interview these people on main stream U.S news channels.

Do you think they would interview me? no because I am a marxist. Of course they wouldn't.

What was going on with McCarthyism? were they going after conspiracy theorists because they had uncovered the evil plot? no, they went after communists.

Social and political power is wealth. Wealth is social and political power. Undermine wealth and these people have no power. Undermine private property and the stranglehold of finance and corporate power and these people have no conduit for their "plan" (and that plan has nothing to do with green meanies) and that plan has everything to do with perpetuating their wealth and power.

claig · 05/04/2013 23:23

Many conspiracy theorists believe that the ultimate goal of the Neo-Malthusian elite is a socialist one world government and that capitalism is just a temporary stepping stone used as part of the Hegelian dialectic. A socialist one world government is the type of thing that Marx predicted. But the elite don't believe any of that bullshit, they use whatever they need to control people.

The CEOs are not the elite, the puppets are not the elite. The elite are the Neo-Malthusians who control both hands in the card game, who play both sides of the Hegelian dialectic in order to form the synthesis which many believe is the socialist one world government.

And many believe that the green document is right when it says talks about a possible authoritarian regime that will take draconan measures.

They will probably say, as Orwell predicted, that Big Brother Loves You and they are only doing to "save the planet" for little old you.

MiniTheMinx · 05/04/2013 23:18

We didn't have a global warming agenda when we discovered steam claig, nor when the peasants revolted, nor when children as young as five worked in factories and we created racism as a rational excuse for colonies and slave labour. We didn't have a science devoted to climate change when our banks became trusts with imperialist aspirations, or when we we set up the east india company, colonised america and stood by whilst the poor drank gin and chinese died of opium. What we had was the birth of capitalism.

claig · 05/04/2013 23:11

The capitalist created communism. They supported it against Hitler who wanted to destroy it. They armed it, they funded Lenin and Trotsky and Wall Street funded Trotsky. They created communism as the opponent of capitalism. They were two parts of the Hegelian dialectic and both systems frightened their populations with scares about the other system.

claig · 05/04/2013 23:09

Lots of people believe that Alex Jones works for the elite. Lots of what he says makes sense but then he deliberately ruins it all by going over the top.

MiniTheMinx · 05/04/2013 23:06

Yes I follow Fox news, I have even listened to that loon American Alex Jones.

They are locating the problem in the wrong place.

claig · 05/04/2013 22:56

Mini, now you are on teh right track. YTes I know all that and every self-respecting conspiracy theorist knows all that.

But the real ruling elite is teh Neo-Malthusian elite. Climate change is their policy and every government on earthh and every puppet on earth follows their policy and they have some political parties who push the message for them and fool naive eager young socialists into falling for it and working against the interests of the people and the Daily Mail reader.

Capitlaism is just one system used by teh elite. Communism is another system. Read Gerorge Orwell, a genius and socialist, to understand that teh elite controls both. It is about power and control for teh elite - not isms. They don't care which system they are in as long as they are in charge.

Every conspiracy theorist lnows that they use teh Hegelian dialectic to create opposing systems which in reality work together to provide a synthesis from teh thesis and antithesis. Orwell told us that the systems work together to control the people.

Orwell told us "hope lies with teh proles" and the Daily Mail reader for they have not fallen for teh scams of teh oligarchs, unlike teh naive earnest young leftwingers who work unwittingly for them.

Capitalism and rip-off finance and stock market scams and banking crashes are not the ultimate purpose of teh elite, they are only stepping stones towards their Neo-Malthusian goal.

claig · 05/04/2013 22:47

'Tarple claims that Obamas science Tzar is a neo-malthusian who follows Paul Ehrlich's ideas. Can you see that in this case there is a contradiction btw these two camps? '

Yes, I know. Have you read about him? Do you know about his book with Ehrlich, called "Human Ecology"? Do you know some of teh things it says?

Fox News did a great article on it.

I don't know what you mean about the contradiction.

claig · 05/04/2013 22:45

Yes, Webster Tarpley, a very very clever man. He is a socailist but not in the sense of Tony Blair. He is a Roosevelt type socialist but he doesn't belive in scams like global warming and understands that there is an oligarchical aristocratic elite that pulls teh strings of puppets.

MiniTheMinx · 05/04/2013 22:22

Claig, have you heard of Webster Tarple, I know you are aware of malthus. You see I have listened and read Tarple, I am aware of the neo-malthusians who are a bunch of academics who claim that humanity is a blot on the world and that population will reach an unsustainable level, resources will run scarce, modern farming methods are harming bio-diversity etc,...

Where to start with this Smile Companies like Monsanto wage war upon other nations, this is done by undermining their governments using CIA and various economic tactics, with the full backing of the U.S government. Monsanto is a huge corporation involved in petro chemicals, fertilizers, GM crops and modern farming methods. Monsanto along with others have stripped the U.S, depleted soil and now bees are shipped in lorries all over the US because these chemicals are harming bio-diversity. As with oil the U.S government acts as broker, facilitator that will allow the imperialist aspirations of these corporations to exploit other countries. They do this through foreign policy, trade policies, lending, IMF, FED WTO etc and air bases all over the globe that threaten the security of other nations, whilst bankrupting the American State itself.

Tarple claims that Obamas science Tzar is a neo-malthusian who follows Paul Ehrlich's ideas. Can you see that in this case there is a contradiction btw these two camps?

Back in the 1940s a few academic economists who subscribed to the idea of liberal economic free market capitalism managed to get funding from wealthy backers to set up a think tank. Mount peralin society. The reason that the wealthy elite coughed up the dollars is because the "thinkers" generate ideas that fit with the agenda of the capitalist class. It isn't a case of the elite being thinkers. The elite are the capitalist class who fund the thinkers to think what is commercially desirable. In this case, the thinkers were paid to spread the neo-liberal orthodoxy throughout the universities. Look up the chicago school. Investigate neo-liberal theory and Margeret Thatcher's advisor Keith Joseph

"Thatcher began to attend lunches regularly at the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), a think tank founded by the poultry magnate Antony Fisher, a disciple of Friedrich von Hayek; she had been visiting the IEA and reading its publications since the early 1960s. There she was influenced by the ideas of Ralph Harris and Arthur Seldon, and she became the face of the ideological movement opposing the welfare state. Keynesian economics, they believed, was weakening Britain. The institute's pamphlets proposed less government, lower taxes, and more freedom for business and consumers" wiki

Although capitalists work as a class to further their own interests as a group there remains a great deal of competition over ideas and competition to gain the upper hand commercially. Not all "thinkers" think in terms of ideas and theory that will further the commercial interests of the corporate capitalist class. neo-malthusians have the backing of some very wealthy people?????? the nexus btw corporate capital and finance capital isn't as clear cut as one might think. The further up the ladder one looks it may come down to some individual finance capitalists who lets face it will play off one idea against another, one business against another and so on. In doing so they get very rich. They lend to both sides in a war as the ultimate example of this.

Sorry ttosca Smile

Workfare is a bastard, slave invention of the U.S, another import like foodbanks that we could do without.

wannabedomesticgoddess · 05/04/2013 22:14

No offence Claig, but I havent a fucking clue what you are on about.

The Daily Mail is vile. It was vile long before this week. If you are with them then IMO you are a lost cause.

ttosca · 05/04/2013 21:39
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claig · 05/04/2013 21:34

'"The quality of life of all, except for that of a very rich and powerful minority will decline'

Why in this awful terrible save the planet catastrophe that will befall teh earth according to teh greens, will this tiny rich minority be unaffected, while the good Daily Mail reader will be "squeezed" yet again?

I think it is because this tiny minority is in charge and are doing the squeezing. And instead opposing this tiny minority and calling their bluff, the greens seem to believe it all and are the messengers who seenm to say do whatthey say or they will do it for you.

claig · 05/04/2013 21:23

If you don't believe me, then I am sure you will believe the Greens in their document 'Manifesto for a Sustainable Society'. Theyare telling you straight.

"The quality of life of all, except for that of a very rich and powerful minority will decline. As such problems intensify, it becomes easy for authoritarian regimes to gain control and to impose draconian solutions. It is desirable that peoples should avoid this by voluntarily taking responsible action now so that without repressive measures human numbers are eventually brought into balance."

and

"It should be clearly understood that the Party does not support repressive or coercive population control measures but, rather, is seeking to avoid their imposition

www.sci.sdsu.edu/salton/Immigration_PopGreenParty.html#Population

They seem to be under no doubt. The message is change your ways or you will be forced to. Their solution, if I understand it rightly, is change voluntarily or the elite with an authoritarian regime will force you with draconian measures.

They don't think it can be stopped, they think it is inevitable. Do what the elite says or they will force you seems to be the message.

Unlike the greens and the elite, I am with the Daily Mail and the Telegraph's Christopher Booker and teh Daily Mail reader who all know this is a scam and scare tactic used to force us to change our ways.

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