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Does anyone actually back the government these days?

105 replies

GossipWitch · 06/11/2012 22:22

Every day I'm reading something negative about the government whether its sanctions, fucked up benefits, dla being cut, nhs suffering, the economy, schools, child benefit cuts, redundancies, and now peado's in the ranks. I'm betting people wish they hadn't rage voted now, but I'm just curious to see if there are actually people who still like their policies?

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ttosca · 21/11/2012 13:47

"nasty ideology of the Tory scum"

arf

There's no 'arf' about it. The public spending cuts and fiscal management we're seeing are ideological in nature, and are harming the economy.

ttosca · 21/11/2012 13:46

So, presumably, everything was rosy on the eve of the last election then?

We were in the middle of a financial crisis on the eve of the last election.

As much as you'd like to rewrite the narrative, the financial crisis is global in scope, and was caused by the giant pyramid scheme and gambling of the financial sector. It wasn't caused by fiscal overspending, and even countries with a fiscal surplus have been hit hard by the crisis.

What has happened since is that the UK has been dragged in to a double-dip recession, caused by counter-Keynesian public spending cuts during a recession, causing a downward spiral of job losses, low consumer spending, increasing welfare bill, and loss of tax receipts from companies.

Brycie · 21/11/2012 13:15

People have short memories. "There's no money left"? Who remembers that? And Labour's acknowledgment that they'd be cutting almost as much if they were in power?

Brycie · 21/11/2012 13:04

"nasty ideology of the Tory scum"

arf

Brycie · 21/11/2012 13:04

"The state of the UK is entirely down to the bungling incompetence and nasty ideology of Tory scum. "

Good golly gosh. Er not really. Did Labour not do anything in 13 years then? Can't have been a very effective administration.

Brycie · 21/11/2012 13:02

I'm with flatpack. And on the double dip recession, Labour were in on the first dip. Lest we forget.

NicholasTeakozy · 21/11/2012 13:00

Compared to what it is now, yes.

MrJudgeyPants · 21/11/2012 10:36

The state of the UK is entirely down to the bungling incompetence and nasty ideology of Tory scum.

So, presumably, everything was rosy on the eve of the last election then?

flatpackhamster · 21/11/2012 09:49

Gosh, we'd better join the Euro then. Now's a good time, isn't it?

ttosca · 19/11/2012 16:21

Whoever won the last election was picking up a poisoned chalice, and as a matter of fact I think the Coalition is doing better than I expected. At least this isn't Greece .

You must have had really low expectations.

The state of the UK is entirely down to the bungling incompetence and nasty ideology of Tory scum.

Comparisons with Greece are laughable, as the two countries are nothing alike, and weren't anything alike before the financial crisis and recession.

Compared with the EU average, the UK growth (Real GDP growth) rate for the last four years has been below average.

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ImperialStateKnickers · 19/11/2012 13:45

Whoever won the last election was picking up a poisoned chalice, and as a matter of fact I think the Coalition is doing better than I expected. At least this isn't Greece .

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/11/2012 13:37

Of course, Ed's political leanings are debatable.... :) But the Guardian's certainly aren't.

NicholasTeakozy · 19/11/2012 13:04

Ed's on the left? Really? Hmm :o

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/11/2012 10:53

"The poor are being demonised by the right."

Really? The person who said they wanted to reform the welfare and housing system so that.... "rather than looking solely at need, priority is also given to those who contribute ? who give something back." ... was a certain Mr E Milliband at the Labour party conference this year. That well-known right-wing rag, the Guardian, went on to comment about this statement ... Not only is it right in principle that those who take out have a responsibility to put back in. It is the only way we can really detoxify our politics of welfare.

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HumphreyCobbler · 19/11/2012 10:18

I also agree with Cogito.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/11/2012 10:13

I know... but that's me. 'The triumph of hope over experience'.

NicholasTeakozy · 19/11/2012 09:46

Facts:-

Gidiots austerity measures will put us into a triple dip recession.

DLA and ESA are being withdrawn from disabled people.

The poor are being demonised by the right.

Those who caused the crash are being well paid.

If you still believe 'trickle down' works you have a lower IQ than my imaginary pet slug Bertie.

The only people who support this government are the wealthy. And those whose views are seriously deluded.

Let's not forget this is the government who denigrated the disabled for their 'lifestyle choice'.

The deficit is going up because the tax take is going down.

I could go on.

flatpackhamster · 19/11/2012 09:04

Save your fingers, SWP astroturfers can't deal with facts.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/11/2012 07:40

Have to take issue with you on 'steadily rising unemployment'. The ONS stats table 'EMP01 Full Time, Part Time and Temporary Workers' shows that, year on year, the people classed as on training or government work programmes has gone from 89,000 to 166,000. And, over the same period of time, the number of people working full-time has gone up from 21,259,000 to 21,456,000, part-time 7,803,000 to 8,120,000. Even if you leave the people you dismiss as 'slaves' completely out of the equation, that's an increase in the total number of people employed of 514,000.

ttosca · 18/11/2012 14:47

Yeah, people who voted for the Tory scum are getting exactly what they asked for:

  • Double-dip recession, possibly continuing on to a triple-dip recession

  • Privitisation of the NHS

  • Killing of disabled people through DLA cuts

  • Cuts to public services, including schools, hospitals and libraries

  • A tax break for the rich

  • Stagnating wages

  • Slave labour for JSA claimants

  • Steadily rising unemployment (figures of which are masked by the fact that Mandatory Work Activity slaves are not counted as unemployed).

  • A 25% rise in homelessness in the UK

  • A PCC election which nobody paid any attention to

  • Riots

And so many more national benefits, it's hard to list them all...

Who could not want these things?

flatpackhamster · 17/11/2012 09:24

GossipWitch

Every day I'm reading something negative about the government whether its sanctions, fucked up benefits, dla being cut, nhs suffering, the economy, schools, child benefit cuts, redundancies, and now peado's in the ranks.

I've spotted your problem. You're reading the Guardian. You might benefit from broadening your choice of reading material.

I'm betting people wish they hadn't rage voted now, but I'm just curious to see if there are actually people who still like their policies?

Personally I don't like any of the three ruling parties, but given a choice between what we have now and the venal wickedness of Labour, I'll stick with this, thanks.

laughtergoodmedicine · 16/11/2012 13:17

Most of the business class back tories and would like Libs out

sparkleyangel · 09/11/2012 23:44

as for the winter fuel allowance he did reduce it.

sparkleyangel · 09/11/2012 23:43

My mum who's 78 and has been conservative voter all her voting life (shes also a daily mail reader lol) but even she now admits she cant stand camoron and thinks hes an idiot with no idea of the real world.

grovel · 09/11/2012 16:51

I'm with Cogito on this one.