Is this really what people want?

Someone, according to you, is laughing very heartily indeed at our expense.

'It makes me laugh'

I can assure you that this is no laughing matter!

I suppose it was simpler back in the day. At least you knew who your enemies were.

'It makes me laugh to think of bankers, owners of multnationals, politicians as nobles.'

They are not the nobles, they are the actors on the stage and each plays many parts.

'So who picked our pockets?'
The bankers.

'These nobles seem quite clever non?'
If you mean they know how to run a good Punch and Judy Show, then yes.

It makes me laugh to think of bankers, owners of multnationals, politicians as nobles. Nobs, knobs maybe, or gnobs even, but nobles???

Fast forward three centuries, please!

Is that a joke.....that 1% is the same as the 1% who through capitalist exploitation and accumulation are picking the pockets of all workers and condemning half the planet to near starvation & debt. Noticed how all states are now indebted. From small african states growing coffee to the largest western states like the USA. So who picked our pockets? not just yours and mine but riffled through the treasury. When the money is gone, nation states could fall.....what then.

These nobles seem quite clever non? or is it Merkel, I knew she was up to no good but who's pulling her strings........greenpeace.....surely not.

You have to read George Orwell's 1984 to gain a better understanding. There were 3 blocs in that book that were played off against each other in order to control the public, but they were just actors on a stage, each one who played their part.

These are very good questions. While I have 99% of the answers, I have to admit that the final 1% eludes me.

The elite are very small in number and they can't keep the people down forever.

Surely if this elite was putting together greater unity in europe, trade relations btw America and europe, setting up (whispers Bildeburg) why didn't they jump right in and join China and Russia, they must have known that Trotsky????? liked to ride in big cars and he had found the means to keep everyone pushing handcarts.

Claig is confused and incoherent.

right, cut lose now.

So this all boils down to some Thomas Malthus nonsense of years gone and some sort of elite pulling the strings of the Americans. Ri........ght, ok. So what the hell was going on in the 60's and 70's with the communist witch hunt in the states. Are the elite also masochists.

That's OK, as long as you don't call me Clegg!

Really sorry I keep calling you Craig .

Sorry, couldn't reply I am busy trying to extricate myself from all this string

In a serf/slavery Soviet system, they made sure that everybody earn a pittance, drove a crap car if they were very lucky and queued round the block for a slice of bacon, while they rode around in expensive cars in special lanes on the way to their publicly paid for dachas.

How could they get away with that under capitalism?: Capitalism is a meritocracy and they had to get out of the kitchen because they couldn't stand the heat.

'Why would anyone want that, Craig?'

Why would a noble want to rule over serfs? They think that we are "plebs", that they are born to rule, that they are a superior elite.

Of course they know it is not true, because capitalism has shown it to them, when they have seen working class children earn greater riches than them. That's why they don't like capitalism.

Why would anyone want that, Craig?

I don't mean ordinary people who have fallen for blanket propaganda that is pushed by the media. Of course many people will be influenced by the arguments that they hear and see day on their TV screens.

I mean the people who made the decisions to disseminate that information originally back in the late 60s, early 70s and before.

'But why do you call them elitists?'

I think they are elitists because they think ordinary people are "plebs". I think they want zero and negative growth in order to halt the people's progress. I believe that they are just the inheritors of the Malthusian tradition that want to limit the growth of ordinary people. I think that they are against capitalism primarily because it is teh one system that has lifted people out of poverty over the past few centuries.

'Indeed. So we are now left with precisely what.....or rather who?'

We know that their puppets are communists, but we don't know who pulls their strings.

By zero and negative growth elitists, do you mean people who feel that enough is enough and all this so-called 'growth' only affects them negatively? For example the person who wants to protect green field sites from 'development' and who wants to house people in all the properties left empty by absentee landlords who are just using them as investments while waiting for the prices to go up before they sell them on?

Or were you talking about the people who can see how when one section of the population 'grows', another shrinks.

Or those who believe there is only a certain amount of money in the world. For A to have more than her fair share, B has to have less than his.

I get the anti-growth bit. But why do you call them elitists?

I think that many of the failures of the banking system today are nothing to do with capitalism, just as I don't believe that swindles and scams are to do with capitalism. They are to do with people and lax regulation.

Nobody knows, but in my opinion they are not capitalists and they are not Rothschilds.

In my opinion, capitalists and bankers like the Rothschilds created and spread wealth to ordinary people through commerce and investment.

I think that capitalism is a force for good and gives opportunity to ordinary people and that is why zero growth and negative growth elitists do not like it.

oh the other one has bells on hear no see no Claig !