Why aren't you all FURIOUS?!

Yes some tests aren't available until 20 weeks. Also if nuchal fold wasn't available where you live in UK it would only be at 20 week scan you might get indicators for Downs.

Eg I had my mid-pregnancy scan at 21 weeks. If it was discovered baby had Edwards Syndrome (not compatible with life - baby dies before birth or shortly after), then with a 20 week abortion limit I would be out of time to make a decision.

I AM furious. For many reasons, some of which involve the govournment .

I don't think the 12 week limit will happen.
However, the trend from the States is terrifying .
I so hope that is one occasion where Britain will not follow, where the USofA are wanting to lead.

I don't understand about the disabled baby killing you at full term

He is a total nob jockey - surely he will have to stand down for this??? Regardless of a debate of whether it would/could/should be lowered to 20 weeks (it shouldn't), WTAF does he think will happen to genetic screening?! Why bother doing nuchal fold test FFS.

This just rages me more because I currently live in the Republic of Ireland and the lack of access to this basic health service makes me sick. You do not want this twatface minister pontificating about what HE thinks is "morally right" for women's bodies. He can fuck right off, and when he gets there, he can bloody well fuck off some more!!!

/end 37 week pregnant hormonal rant

Cogito it's 24 weeks or later but only if other flcobditions are met.

Your last post is a perfect example newname

A severely disabled child that might kill you?

Really?

I agree TractionEngine. Gawd and people fall for it.

I know what 3socks means
I agree.
Whilst I would hope that full term abortion never happens why is so appalling for one prenancy and just a bit sad (but for the best) for another?

These threads are always peppered with comments that are offensive to parents of disabled children and I expect that is why 3socks has posted.

None of it means that I am judging any woman who has to make the decision, that I am anti abortion or happy about full term abortions.

I am pro choice
I accept that every woman has to make a choice based on heat is best for them.

But perhaps this could be a thread where people were sensitive for a change?

Maybe some of us aren't FURIOUS because it's a discussion point, not an announcement. Plenty find abortion distasteful and regrettable. 26 weeks is quite wrong today and the debate needs to start somewhere.

Tests for a variety of conditions aren't available until 20 weeks of pregnancy. It makes no sense to change the current law.

I think lowering the limit to 20 weeks should definitely happen.

12 weeks won't happen. Although I wouldn't feel furious if it did.

Newname its not a foetus if the woman is 39 weeks pregnant.

Newname its not a foetus if the woman is 39 weeks pregnant.

no you would end discrimination before birth.

so under what threesocks proposes, you could kill a baby by lethal injection up to the day its due?

jesus. really?

i think that having 24 weeks to decide if you want to be a parent or not is enough time.

i would never support a 12 week limit. but i would equally never support no limit at all.

VicarInaTutu sorry don't get what you mean

Agreed, they have caught onto to the power of the Overton Window

We are living in dangerous times in regards to the roll back of the gains that women have made.

what happens threesocks when a baby is aborted but lives, because its full term? what do you propose happens to full term babies? kill them at birth? i think that steps into a whole new territory that i for one would never be comfortable with.

i do not agree with a 12 week limit at all.

i would say leave it as is, or perhaps reduce the limit to 22 weeks, simply because many babies now live from 24 weeks.

If there are abnormalities there is no upper limit

I would be hugely upset if they ever did reduce it to 12 weeks but I would be equally upset if they extended it to full term

just to clarify
you can "abort" up to birth for disability
that is why I think the limit should be up to birth in all cases

I agree with MayThe - it will make 20 weeks not seem so bad so I believe it's all tactical.