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Cabinet reshuffle

39 replies

radiohelen · 04/09/2012 11:13

So place your bets ladies and gentlemen... how many women will be left in the cabinet by the end of the day? Will there be less than he started with? It's looking that way at the moment.

Warsi is yet to accept her job offer as a junior minister after being fired as Tory co-chair. The deadline was 9am apparently.
Caroline Spelman and Cheryl Gillan are both out.

Not sure I'm happy with the lurch to the right. Ken Clark is a sensible chap and all the people who are being promoted are essentially career politicians with no discernible broad view of the world. OK it's not like we have a party like the Republicans in control but it still doesn't sit well for me.

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somebloke123 · 05/09/2012 17:29

How is being sceptical about whether observed climate change is significantly due to human activity and is dangerous being "anti-science"?

On the contrary, scepticism in science is not only not a bad thing but is a positive duty.

What has "blokes" got do do with it - I was simply expressing a view, not trying to explain something that I had assumed others needed to have explained to them, which I take it was what you were saying.

slug · 05/09/2012 17:08

I see the blokes have come online to mansplain it all to us Hmm

slug · 05/09/2012 17:07

7% of people in Britain have had a private school education. In the Department of Education's ministerial team, it's 83%

Extrospektiv · 05/09/2012 16:49

anti-science? Stem cell research is a moral issue.

ElBurroSinNombre · 05/09/2012 16:44

We now have an anti-science secretary of the environment (a deluded climate change sceptic) and an anti science health secreatry (Homeopathy FFS, against stem cell research).
These are not 'refreshing developments' for the rational amongst us.

somebloke123 · 05/09/2012 11:54

Having a "climate change sceptic" (a strange term - does anyone not accept that the climate has changed throughout the Earth's history?) seems a refreshing development.

Better than having some fool who thinks that carpeting the UK with useless windmills will save the planet.

Incidentally, Owen Paterson was several years ago the author of an excellent policy document on fishing, in which the UK would reassert control of our fishing grounds, operate a fair system of permits to avoid overfishing, and ban the appalling practice of chucking dead fish back in the sea just because they fell foul of lunatic EU quota rules.

It was actually official Tory policy for a time but was later dropped - by Michael Howard IIRC.

ttosca · 05/09/2012 11:19

Personally I don't care about how many women are in the cabinet or not. The only criteria should be can that person do the job or not. Having to put a certain number of women in just to please the feminists is in my view positive discrimination and I don't like discrimination of any kind.

zzzzzz

ElBurroSinNombre · 05/09/2012 10:40

niceguy,

If the criteria that you would apply ('being able to do the job') was really applied fairly then you would expect to see a 50 / 50 split of cabinet positions (and of MPs as well). The fact that there has never been anything like a 50:50 ratio for MPs (or cabinet ministers) implies that discrimination is already taking place. Are you against the 'positive' discrmination that men receive as well?

niceguy2 · 05/09/2012 09:53

Personally I don't care about how many women are in the cabinet or not. The only criteria should be can that person do the job or not. Having to put a certain number of women in just to please the feminists is in my view positive discrimination and I don't like discrimination of any kind.

alcofrolic · 04/09/2012 23:39

Monday 11th June:
Oakeshott also told the Channel 4 Dispatches programme, which airs on Monday 11 June, that Cameron's continued backing for Hunt to keep his job raised "very serious questions" about his judgment, and suggested he believed there could have been an agreement between the Conservative leadership and the Murdoch press to support each others interests.

Tuesday 4th September:
Andrew Lansley has been replaced as Health Secretary by Jeremy Hunt as part of an extensive government reshuffle.The move is a promotion for Mr Hunt, who has been under pressure for his handling of the BSkyB takeover bid.

Will someone please explain what is going on and how we are expected to have faith in the government's integrity?

(I have sat through a school inset today, trying to make some sense of the new Govian appraisal systems - trying to reinvent the wheel as regards pay progression. It is the most poorly thought-out, badly presented, loose-ended piece of government twaddle I have ever seen over many years of teaching. The man is an ass.)

radiohelen · 04/09/2012 21:49

And yes - we have fewer women in cabinet now. Always a good move.

Losers
Caroline Spelman
party chairman Baroness Warsi
Welsh Secretary Cheryl Gillan
Justine Greening was moved from Transport to the Department for International Development.

According to the Telegraph three of the four women remaining in the Cabinet ? Theresa Villiers, Theresa May and Justine Greening ? do not have children.

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Extrospektiv · 04/09/2012 21:31

Maria Miller is not a woman-hater, plain stupid remark.
Fear of flying is nothing to laugh at, being a medical condition. That is ableist and cruel. He can clearly do his job without flying.
As I said on the Hunt thread this country rightly does not operate a pro-choice "abortion litmus test" for any government position. Being pro-life I approve. Homeopathy remarks are ignorant and NHS one more than a little insensitive though.

Occupy is not a reliable source any more than MSNBC or Noam Chomsky. Moderate source and I might take it seriously.

ttosca · 04/09/2012 21:09

Cabinet shuffle summary:

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With the cabinet shuffle, the UK now has:

Secretary of Transport - Scared of flying.
Secretary of Health - Calls the NHS a "60-year old mistake", opposes abortion, opposes stem cell research, and advocates homoeopathy as viable treatment.
Secretary of Environment - Climate change sceptic.
Secretary of Justice - Believes businesses should be able to discriminate against homosexuals.
Secretary for Women and Equalities - Hates equality and women

(With thanks to Occupy Birmingham Uni)

Extrospektiv · 04/09/2012 13:40

Anti-Republican views now spreading out beyond the actual US election thread? Romney/Ryan should see this forum...