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Can someone explain to me in simple terms. USA elections

415 replies

ihatethecold · 31/08/2012 07:44

What are the main differences between Obama and romney?
Is Obama like labour and Romney like very right conservative?

Why does Romney say he will get rid of the healthcare bill that Obama brought in.

Did it not work?
why wouldn't you want people without insurance to access healthcare ?
Thanks

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TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 22:23

But I am - which is why I take issue with much of what they say

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 22:21

Extrospektiv is not an American.

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 22:12

are millions of UK citizens who agree with Republican type ideas

Really? Honestly? Cos last time I checked the NHS was pretty popular... I don't think there are millions calling for it to be taken down. Far from it, because they at least have some level of love of socialism running through the overwhelming majority.

but if the country is split fairly down the middle there are over 100 million adults who would have sympathy for those principles

Going to take a while stab in the dark at why voter turnout is low and ask is it possibility because so many people feel unrepresented by both parties...?

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 22:10

Extrospektiv

So your still throwing that liberal word around as if it's an insult yet not once have you answered the specific questions put to you. Try rereading the thread and then give some answers.

The only thing the right in america seem to be good at is following Mein Kampf and the big lie theory which they used in the 1950's to brainwash you all into hating the USSR. Doublethink at it's best from the GOP

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 21:57

MN can lean whatever way it wants.

As it is not a mainly US site it is not to be expected to reflect US attitudes.

It is interesting to hear from US citizens and residents who are immersed in variations of their own culture. Naturally there are many parts which are different from our own and some that some of us will not like.

Extrospektiv · 02/09/2012 21:52

@several people paraphrased "I'm not surprised most of us on here are liberal Brits": neither am I, this being a British website. That is why it needs a counterbalance because there are millions of UK citizens who agree with Republican type ideas. A minority yes, still a lot of people. MN does not need to be a cosy leftist echo chamber.

As for 100M Republican voters, I was aware there were never that many in one election but if the country is split fairly down the middle there are over 100 million adults who would have sympathy for those principles. So a thread on here intended to be a "simple explanation of the 2012 Presidential race" deserves to have some perspectives of centrist and GOP fans. This is not the Barack Obama Appreciation Thread.

I even said upthread that I'd prefer someone who had what I consider the best elements from the GOP and Dem platforms, and would be behind him/her whichever party they belonged to. I am definitely leaning moderate in American terms, and my philosophical position is traditionalist conservative.

FWIW- I don't vote as none of the parties give me what I'd be looking for, and possibly lean to Miliband over Cameron for '15, for the sake of the sick and poor cuts victims as building a genuine Big Society culture based more on American-style private philanthropy and less statutory services that would be suitable to protect the interests of the vulnerable would take years, this requiring major change.

Against Ed, he could be an anti-wealth fanatic ("Red Ed" for a reason) though to be honest the disadvantaged attract more of my empathy than people with fat bank balances, he could go too far with Europe while the coalition is pursuing a moderate EU policy and the big thing I'd worry about is him messing up education by pandering to the anti-traditionalist fanatics. I think education policy should become less partisan anyway and decisions based on sound research about what works, children deserve better than to be used as footballs.

mathanxiety · 02/09/2012 21:05

Dreamingbohemian -- yes, the rhetoric about curbing spending is designed to appeal to emotions and in no way reflects what happens no matter who is in power.

mathanxiety · 02/09/2012 21:03

30 year fixed rate mortgages are very much alive and kicking, and 15 and 30 year terms are the most common though there are longer terms available, and shorter.

The adjustable rate mortgages that are more the norm in Britain and Ireland (and Canada iirc) became popular during the boom that preceded the bust. Some blamed them for the bust, especially those that required no down payment and thus left homeowners with no equity or very little.

Right now, 30 year fixed rate mortgages are offered at an all time low rate.

zamantha · 02/09/2012 19:48

It's troubling to many of us Brits that the republicans seem fanatical in their right wing ideals.

Thank you for telling me why Romney gets ticks - way back in thread!

I feel afraid of Tea party types just like Americans were afraid of communists - although I wouldn't lock you up, I feel you need to be closely watched! I'm really not anything but middle of the road liberal Brit type and I am sure lots of other Mnetters feel like me.

The Christian far right are scary. I remember Clinton saying they were his only enemy.

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 19:44

Yes they did but Bush never did anything to stop the unreguated balloon from building and busting despite being close to his father during the Reagan/Bush Bush era when they deregulated the savings and loans that then lead onto the decade the savings and loans crisis.

Of course what he did learn from his dad during that time was that if you know there is a banking problem then keep quiet for as long as possible as you may get through the next election before having to release the figures that allow the full depth of the the scandal to be known.

dreamingbohemian · 02/09/2012 19:39

The crazy thing is that before the Bush presidency, the US actually had a budget surplus.

Can you imagine? It seems unbelievable and yet it wasn't even that long ago.

Btw I love when the right refers to 'tax and spend liberals'. As if Republicans don't also tax you and spend your money on stuff.

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 19:37

should be a good deal, what with dollar devaluation and inflation going up.

TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 19:34

I was wrong - 30 years is still available
www.usbank.com/cgi_w/cfm/personal/products_and_services/mortgage/interest_rates.cfm

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 19:32

I remember my old granny talking about such things.

YoullLaughAboutItOneDay · 02/09/2012 19:30

20 year fixes, as in interest rate fixed for 20 years? My goodness. Is that still common or when you say 'old style' does that mean they are not issued any longer?

TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 19:28

Novack
Non recourse mortgages under written by Fannie and Freddie go back a darn sight further than Dubya - they are a stock in trade part of the US Housing market - as are old style 20 year mortgage rate fixes which would give the UK Market kittens !

nightlurker · 02/09/2012 19:19

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HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 18:54

I love the comments on the second article nightlurker. They are baffling, scary, bewildering amusing to my 'extreme left' British sensibilities.

Apparently
"Liberalism is truly a mental disorder!".

But I think my particular favourite was
"How is it that ANYONE can put any legitimacy to anything this Quasimodo-looking mental midget says? This libtard supported the Occupy criminals and has a long history of being philosophically nearsighted and being a compulsive liar. Get this idiot off television." in reference to Sally Kohn, the Fox journalist.

I think the Daily Fail readers need to get some inspiration from here.

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 18:44

The MRC is a republican conservative media organisation and not in any way an independent fact check organisation.

nightlurker · 02/09/2012 18:35

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NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 18:33

Of course not..

Just like the republicans fail to mention that BUsh started two wars and failed to regulate the banks or to introduce legislation that would have meant the mortgage holders could just walk away form their debts leaving the world economy to have to pay their debts and thus a global credit crisis.

Republicans claim that the deficit increased under Obama yet forget to mention that the majority of the deficit increase was because all the debt for the previous 8 years of war by Bush had NOT been added to the national debt figure. Obama took the decision to include all debt in the figure so the public could see the real state of the economy.

The debt was passed to him by Bush with a shocking annual deficit and rapidly increasing budget deficit. So no matter who became president the economy was in the toilet.

What Obama has done has been to keep the Us economy from going like Greece or Spain and kept unemployment less than the UK rate despite the US economy being in more of a toilet than most.

TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 18:22

The chances of Fox turning against a Republican candidate are NIL.
What you may have seen was reverse psychology to get Republican supporters out and voting come November

BUT
www.economist.com/world/us-elections-2012

fridakahlo · 02/09/2012 17:44

About time...

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 17:40

Or maybe, just maybe for once in the statoins history they actually were fair and balanced for a day.