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Wealth doesn't trickle down – it just floods offshore, new research reveals

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breadandbutterfly · 21/07/2012 22:58

www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/offshore-wealth-global-economy-tax-havens

""These estimates reveal a staggering failure," says John Christensen of the Tax Justice Network. "Inequality is much, much worse than official statistics show, but politicians are still relying on trickle-down to transfer wealth to poorer people.

"This new data shows the exact opposite has happened: for three decades extraordinary wealth has been cascading into the offshore accounts of a tiny number of super-rich."

...In fact, some experts believe the amount of assets being held offshore is so large that accounting for it fully would radically alter the balance of financial power between countries. The French economist Thomas Piketty, an expert on inequality who helps compile the World Top Incomes Database, says research by his colleagues has shown that "the wealth held in tax havens is probably sufficiently substantial to turn Europe into a very large net creditor with respect to the rest of the world."

In other words, even a solution to the eurozone's seemingly endless sovereign debt crisis might be within reach ? if only Europe's governments could get a grip on the wallets of their own wealthiest citizens. "

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ttosca · 23/07/2012 11:25

Goverments don't do anything unless people force them to.

Solopower · 23/07/2012 08:27

Yes, they have really let us down imo. So have the legal system and the police.

It's as if they have let us be invaded by a foreign power. We pay the government to protect us - in all ways, but especially from people who want to attack us or steal from us.

Just the fact that people can avoid tax so easily has huge implications for democracy too. Big companies threaten to invest elsewhere unless govt makes it more profitable for them to invest here. One way in which the way the govt does that is by allowing tax loopholes and turning a blind eye. It's like the govt is a police officer helping a burglar by standing guard outside a house that is being burgled and then receiving part of the spoils. It's deeply corrupt.

Someone squirrelling away vast amounts of cash is taking it out of hospitals and schools, out of the pockets of people with disabilities ... It's so immoral.

How high would the govt rise in my estimation if they just decided to crack down on it, once and for all.

Ryoko · 22/07/2012 23:44

Governments are part of the problem, you expect them to do anything when they are rich fucks exploiting the holes in the laws they created and rule over, in order to gain as much wealth as possible before leaving office, and getting a cushy job on the board of some company they where cosy with when in power?.

Man you is going to be waiting a seriously long time.

Solopower · 22/07/2012 22:46

How bad does it get before governments take action?

ttosca · 22/07/2012 15:36

caramel-

I do hope so. I'm certainly spending most of my money at charity shops, not just to save money, but on the grounds that I've had enough with fucked up economy which puts so little value on people's needs and so much value on making a tiny minority rich.

caramelwaffle · 22/07/2012 14:22

I believe we'll see an upsurge of activities such as bartering. Local food growing collectives. People going-it-alone. Personal food production. A certain type of autonomy.

People will involuntarily have to withdraw from the Capitalist system as it is currently set up. Less "money" going to those that have. More collectivism.

It isn't what I advocate, or personally push as an agenda, however, I do see this happening more and more.

caramelwaffle · 22/07/2012 14:16

Personally speaking? I'll be staying poor for the foreseeable...

breadandbutterfly · 22/07/2012 09:35

But the question is - what are we (all of us) going to do about it?

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TheCrackFox · 21/07/2012 23:14

Really doesn't surprise me TBH.

caramelwaffle · 21/07/2012 23:11

Interesting to read.

breadandbutterfly · 21/07/2012 23:01

And see:

www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy

"A global super-rich elite has exploited gaps in cross-border tax rules to hide an extraordinary £13 trillion ($21tn) of wealth offshore ? as much as the American and Japanese GDPs put together ? according to research commissioned by the campaign group Tax Justice Network. "

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