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Society: why has it gone and how do we get it back?

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YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 12/07/2012 18:46

According to Wikipedia: "A society, or a human society, is a group of people related to each other through persistent relations, or a large social grouping sharing the same geographical or virtual territory, subject to the same political authority and dominant cultural expectations".

I don?t believe it exists anymore and this cannot be a good thing.

When did it go wrong?
How do we get is back?
Does it exist in parts of the UK?

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UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:32

Who exactly do you think holds political power then? "The Elite"? Who are they?

claig · 14/07/2012 02:30

Maybe you don't understand it then. I agree with Naomi Klein. Maybe you have misundersttod her too. But, I don't think the Tories are the elite or that teh Tories are screwing the poor. I don't know if Naomi Klein thinks that. If so, then I think she is wrong. But I doubt that she believes that. I think she is cleverer than that.

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:29

"The powerful sell the message that there is no community, there is no society, in order to atomise society and stop people uniting in communities... There are communities and the powerful understand that they get stronger the greater the crisis, which is when teh powerful increase teh message that there is no community."

How does this fit in with 'The Big Society'?

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:26

"rich people delude themselves with romantasised fantasies of communitites" - yep, it's feudal innit?

I am not trying to patronise you Claig, but I have been reading your comments on MN for a long time, and I maintain that I think your discourse is very conflicted. Moar logic, less conzpiraceeisz please.

claig · 14/07/2012 02:24

'rich people delude themselves with romantasised fantasies of communitites'

No it is completely opposite. The powerful sell the message that there is no community, there is no society, in order to atomise society and stop people uniting in communities.

There are communities and the powerful understand that they get stronger the greater the crisis, which is when teh powerful increase teh message that there is no community.

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:18

there is a definite apparatchik working to keep rich people rich.

back to the question
rich people delude themselves with romantasised fantasies of communitites
#themasonsstolecommunity

claig · 14/07/2012 02:18

I am not getting defensive, but you are starting to get patronizing.

So you think the rich want to screw the poor. Do you think they conspire to do this, do you think it is ideological or do you think it just occurs?

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:17
UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:16

No need to get defensive Claig

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:15

the federation of united star ships

or the mason?

claig · 14/07/2012 02:14

'and yet you're still proud to vote Tory. If you can't see that dichotomy, I'm not sure it's worth my while trying to explain the paradox any further.'

I see, you're too clever for me UrInddors, first I'm a wind-up, then I'm bonkers for agreeing with Naomi Klein and now it's not worthwhile debating with me because I am too thick to see the light.

claig · 14/07/2012 02:12

'It comes as no surprise to socialists that the rich are trying to fuck the poor'

OK, so are they conspiring together to do this or is it all just chance?

claig · 14/07/2012 02:11

'libor is a self interest community '

One person or one bank was it?

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:10

No. NK is most certainly not bonkers. But politically she is much further to the left than you purport to be. It comes as no surprise to socialists that the rich are trying to fuck the poor

What's bizarre is that on some diluvian level you seem to recognise this too - and yet you're still proud to vote Tory. If you can't see that dichotomy, I'm not sure it's worth my while trying to explain the paradox any further.

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:10

libor is a self interest community

claig · 14/07/2012 02:09

''

I see, that is the community you are a member of.

claig · 14/07/2012 02:08

But, maybe you are right UrIndoors. Maybe there are no conspiracies, maybe no one colludes to fix rates.

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:07
claig · 14/07/2012 02:05

UrIndoors, Naomi Klein seems to think that some of these crises are deliberate. I think that too. I don't think she is bonkers.

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:04

Ohhhhhh I see

claig · 14/07/2012 02:03

Who is 'he' and who mentioned the Masons. They are a charming family but what have they got to do with it?

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:03

that was to claig

Tortington · 14/07/2012 02:03

that isn't community

UrIndoors · 14/07/2012 02:02

No, we're not Custardo.

Claig - I'm not suggesting you get a kick out of being perverse, but really, if you're going to take some sort of contrarian pride in being a Tory, try not to completely undermine your stance by alluding to teh el111te!!1 conspiraciez. It just makes you look even moar bonkers.

claig · 14/07/2012 02:01

'So you're just a piece of meat for "the elite" to play with, in which case you might as well vote Tory?'

Certainly not. I believe in many Tory values. It wasn't teh Tories who were on deck when the ship of state crashed and it wasn't the Tories who left a note saying "sorry there's no money left". They have been dealt a very bad hand. We wil have to see how they play it. At the moment they are going through a rough patch, but it is still possible that they can turn it round. If it becomes obvious that they can't then the public will vote them out.

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