Just been on a course about new benefit system

Sorry am I missing something? Where does that quote state he had a criminal record?

'Problems with the police' what could that mean? Anything really.

His family have stated several times that he had no criminal record. I've seen no evidence to indicate otherwise and tbh if there was evidence saying he did have a record I think it would have been paraded by the IPCC by now instead of the lies they put out.

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere

bollocks is it.

There is a post on here who has 'limited sympathy' for the family of a dead young man.

Not him but his family. His mother, his siblings.

If that isnt bigotry I dont know what is.

Apparently you don't know what bigotry is.

A bigot is a person who is obstinately attached to their own prejudices. And here we've seen endless posts by people insisting that Mark Duggan was a noble, proud decent citizen who never dun nuffink guvnor, and that the Met deliberately went out to bust a cap in a black man because he was black.

Their obstinate refusal to consider any other point of view makes them bigoted, as does their vicious abuse of anyone who disagrees with their bigoted point of view.

bollocks is it.

There is a post on here who has 'limited sympathy' for the family of a dead young man.

Not him but his family. His mother, his siblings.

If that isnt bigotry I dont know what is.

AmberLeaf

I'm pretty sure mark duggan didn't even have a criminal record. But because of the shit the police put out there to influence idiots who see a black man and think the worst you think his family don't deserve any sympathy.

From here:
"Stirling said he had known Duggan, who was 29, all his life. "Mark Duggan as a person was a nice young man. I'm not saying he was an angel. He had his fair share of problems with the police, but he was a good father. He was the same age as my son ? he was like a son to me. He was not a danger to our community.""

But you're "pretty sure" he didn't even have a criminal record, even though one of his mates says otherwise.

Remarkable level of bigotry in this thread, all flowing from left to right.

Garlicbutter you're right, but the focus of the rioters is wrong.

Including the verse:-

But you get to the place
Where the real slavedrivers live
It's walled off by the riot squad
Aiming guns right at your head
So you turn right around
And play right into their hands
And set your own neighbourhood
Burning to the ground instead

That whole album is ahead of its time. Every song can be applied to what's happening today.

i also said "thought the man's family/pastor asked for calm."

i said "Of course he should not have been shot but I have limited sympathy for his family."

Whhat did I assume when you said you have no sympathy for mark duggans family?

I think I was right in my assumption actually and now you're trying to act like you give a shit.

i didnt say no sympathy - said limited sympathy.

Amber - you make loads of assumptions so of course when we actually have a discussion, its not waht you thought.

Most bizarre example of backpeddling ever.

It was just when you started commenting on having no sympathy for families of gang members', and then went on to say parents' are the problem,etc.

I was just trying to show you it isn't as cut and dried as all that.

CN - yes the school cannot fix the parents problems and if the parent cannot work with the school because of whatever reason they then can become part of the problem.

he has had parents attacking other pupils in the playground. then they get the police involved and ban the parents. but they cannot 'do' that much.

how do you think schools should help parents more/differently?

Dp deals with the parents of children who join gangs when at primary school and they are part of the problem/ the problem.

It was this comment I was referring to.

crazynanna - because the school is focussed on the child & whatever the parents reasons, the school is concerned with the effect on the child's education.

crazynanna - i largely agree with you.

Well I am surprised you made the comments about parents' then

YY Garlic. We need an uprising.

crazynanna - i largely agree with you.

I am not saying the school should help the parent...I am showing you how some parents' cannot engage with the school in relation to the child.

i could give you the same argument really that you give in your post..ie...it is the school's job to deal with the child within the school, but I won't as I believe, where possible, it is a partnership.

The easy targets I refer to are the ones teachers'/society who point the finger at the most vulnerable to place blame.

I think it is incerdible that the tories think all young people can just live with their mum and dad a bit longer. The middle class ones, yes whose parents have one or two extra bedrooms.

Surely the housing benefit cuts are going to mean some people actually die at this rate?

crazynanna - you can argue the system should be different than that, but if you want to actually do the job, you need to work with the system as it is. plus, if DP complained about the structure outside his school, no one is listening & he has about 100 other things that he can actually do in the here & now.

crazynanna - its the school's job to education the children. they dont have the funds, skills or remit to support the parents beyond a very basic level. e.g. numeracy training

i am sure all the things you list do come into play, but how is a teacher supposed to help a parent e.g. with drugs problems? its not their job, they have training and they do have 30 children to focus on & up to 450 others if they are the head. they arent social workers.

if they have concerns about the children, they raise issues with SS but then SS deal with the issues not the school.

of course teachers are easy targets for children failing at school.

I think it's about time people did riot, actually. I mean demonstrate, but the media call any gathering of the plebs a riot these days.

The olympics would be a good time to do it; the armed services will all be occupied checking the VIP toilets, thanks to yet another greed-induced cock-up.

Shiny Dave could stand on a balcony, addressing the unrest with "Calm down, dears, I know what's best for you"

Um, this thread is so long and I haven't read all of it so apologies if I missed an important link.

But seriously, there are plans to cut CB and CTC for more than 3 children?

I have read that the treasury considered this but that even Giddeon wasn't keen to go ahead with that one. This was in a money article a few months ago.

People are going to riot if they do things like that surely? Where is the evidence that this will actually happen? How unpopular does this government want to make themselves? They will be sure not to get in the next election if they do too much and they would know this.

Good grief.

It is all too easy to blame the parents' of these children who you speak of in schools YY. But without knowing the background of these parents',you really are in no position to judge...neither your DH as he cannot possible know the historical circumstances of these parents'...no way.

They may be suffering MH/Addiction problems, may be in dire poverty, domestic violence situations. They may have been failed by the education system themselves in previous years. All these things can come into play when you say they should be "involved" with the school.

But hey...easy targets' are just that. Easy targets'.