Just been on a course about new benefit system

josephine, you cannot compare a national heritage benefitting an entire nation to personal inheritance. That's just ridiculous!

Some will always be more fortunate than others. It's the way of the world, but IMO it behoves anyone with a shred of decency to contribute willingly to the welfare of society's most vulnerable.

Sorry if I have upset anyone but these are my beliefs. I will say no more on the subject.

I am an average working British person, and no...i do not believe disabled people should be worse off than me.

So there you have it.

Your posts are some of the worst I've ever seen on MN.

I hope you get banned.

I'd shut up if I were you Josephine

No, I have a different opinion. Do you really think what I have said is so off-base to what the general opinion of the average working British person thinks?

Josephine you are disgustingly ignorant..

So should someone that works all week stay in a worse situation than someone that is unable to work? If you said that to people in most countries in the world, or in this country 20 or more years ago, they'd say you were crazy, and rightfully so.

So someone who has the misfortune to be disabled and incapable of work must be and stay in a worse situation than a healthy,able employed individual...that is sick

Josephine, I am one of many parents of children with disabilities here. unfortunately I am all too aware that there many people out there who are, to be blunt, as helplessly stupid as you who would condemn people with disabilities for their inability, through no fault of their own, to be economically productive. but by and large such people are not found here on MN, and certainly not welcome here. So I have reported your post. And I hope you are banned.

What a disgusting remark, Josephine. People do not ask to have disabilities. Most decent people agree that those who cannot work, through no fault of their own, are entitled to dignity and proper living standards.
you may well encounter a situation in the future where you cannot support yourself through illness or infirmity. i assume you will take yourself off to the gutter the instant that happens, and make no claim on the state?

So you think they should be forced into a worse lifestyle then,JCD?

IME the people who are under occupying are old people and this wont affect them anyway.

with the shortage of social housing esp in the SE it would be unlikley that someone would be eligible to underoccupy on application.

My own view as a result of watching how LEAs work is that these tactics do not, in the long run, save money. Public sector objectives are essentially short term. the tactics the authorities pursue will probably cost more, over a person's life, than spending money upfront to ensure proper provision at an early stage. but all the authority cares about is that year's budget, and keeping the expenditure out of that budget.

bollocks, most decent people do not support disabled people being forced into poverty

It's so dismissive of people's basic humanity.

If you're old, young, disabled, unwell, or disadvantaged in any way, this is a hard, hard world to be in. It has always been that way of course, but it just feels so wrong when you see the obscene levels of wealth held by so few of the population and often for no better reason than inheritance, playing monopoly games with other people's money, or raking in huge profits from businesses that pay their staff minimum wage or worse still outsource it to foreign sweatshops.

I think that sort of thing is starting to happen a lot. The authority makes a completely outrageous decision to cut funding which they know will be indefensible in Tribunal, but hey, the person affected might not bother to take them there, and even if they do, there will still be a period of time where they're not paying, which will make this year's figures look better.
this sort of thing has been going on forever in the arena of SN provision of course - it's not new. LEAs are thoroughly cyncal in this regard, and always have been.

It's terrifying. Today I heard of a 59-year-old woman with a major heart condition (requiring open heart surgery later this year) and learning difficulties being told that her latest claim for DLA has been refused and she has to go a tribunal if she wishes to appeal it because they consider her fit for work. They did the same thing 12 months ago and it was thrown out and her benefits reinstated immediately. But not before she'd had no payments whatsoever for 9 months. If she hadn't had family to help...

Btw sunshine, if

people who are not working and currently receive a subsistence amount will not be "forced into poverty"

and

people who are working will see more

then

where are the CUTS coming from?

Yeah, I was just getting my info from DWP publications and Hansard.

But now sunshine401 has told me not to worry my pretty little head about it I'll stop campaigning.