Just been on a course about new benefit system

SK - would you like him to have been reassessed at 6 month intervals to see if his brain tumour had gone away?

we have relatives who are on the fiddle which he hated. so yes.

national insurance is just a name for a type of taxation. its not insurance.

So your father never saw an NHS doctor in his life and died before the introduction of National Insurance in 1911, did he? Jolly good.

I dont really understand what you are getting at TBH Tilly.
Its not just about my OH.
It is about DLA as a benefit that enables people with disabilities to stay in work.
It isnt normal to pay into the system and not get anything back.
You might go through life with a few ups and downs, the usual medical costs but BAM you get cancer - how much do you think it costs to treat that?

It cost more in few months than some illness take in years and years.

Therefore some people are going to get more out than others.

Taxes are not just for basic NHS and police etc. They are for social care. That is what we pay for.
Social care is the basics.

I dont know what you think the alternative is.

Some people are lucky enough not to need more than the basics, others are not.

TillyMinto you know perfectly well that DLA is awarded on the level of incapacity, not the name of a condition (and even automatic awards for people in the middle of intravenous chemo are being stopped). So your protest is disingenuous, as it always is.

Further, your father worked "until it was not possible".

Once it was no longer possible, would you like him to have been reassessed at 6 month intervals to see if his brain tumour had gone away? Money for old rope for the private company hauling in taxpayers' cash for the assessment. Not so nice for you having to take time off work to accompany your father as he got worse and worse. Heartbreaking for him. And completely pointless for everyone.

wires crossed. I was not commenting on your DH not working - i know he works.

(1) i meant taxation a pot you pay into and you benefit from roads, the basic NHS, police force, rubbish collection etc. basic services but thats about it.

i think its normal to contribute and not get anything back (except basic services).

(2) you need to assess someones capability to work, not their condition.

I do have a job ironman. what's your point?

Yes.
I do not understand what your point is.
We are talking about DLA yes?
So why are you telling me about disabled people who work?

It is irrelevant.
DLA is going to be reassessed regardless of if people are in work or not.

So why are you talking about the people you know who work despite being disabled?

Get a job.

TBh i think thats far from normal..... = TBh i think thats completely normal.....

ohdo - do you mean me?

oh & the NHS care for my Dad was nil. State help for all those years of paying taxes didnt exist. so you can pay in and get nothing back & TBh i think thats far from normal.....

my friends mum carried on working because she despriately needed the money.

there isnt enough money to go around.

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT
Do you understand that?

YOu are on all of these threads. Yet you seem to 'forget' that very important little detail.
MY OH DOES WORK. He had done since he was 16, including fighting in a war and 6 years as a paramedic.

What is your point?

OhDo - but people do work with very serious conditions. as we have discussed in the past my dad had a type of brain cancer that resulted in loss of muscle control. he worked until it was not possible.

a friends mum runs her own business. she carried on working with the kidney failure and started work again a few days after the operation to attach the port.

another friend is on sickness benefits due to HIV but is physically well.

so it is not as simple as having a condition.

There's probably a few conditions that shouldn't need reassessing unless there's an additional complication.

Well by people who are qualified for a start!

Why do you think someone with Multiple Sclerosis who has already been diagnosed and assessed and awarded DLA needs to be assessed Jupiter

Just to check in case he has been cured?

And as you ask - how about using qualified medical practitioners who are not paid to fail applicants.
And how about NOT using no medically trained administrators to make the decisions?

How about NOT assessing people without physical conditions using a tick list designed to assess people WITH physical conditions?

That would be a start.

How do you propose people are assessed for disability benefits then Mrs De Vere?

What a daft thing to say.
The amount of money a non working person gets when they have another child doesnt make them richer.
They get more money to feed, clothe etc the child.
You may nto agree with that but that is a seperate issue.

If working people have a child they have to spend more money on feeding, clothing said child.
If non working people have a child they have to spend more money on feeding, clothing said child.

AND as these cuts are going to affect everyone, not just the non workers, why do these threads always start bapping on about the single mothers with twenty kids who live in a mansion?

What about the rest of us? The ones that have worked since we were 16, subsidizing the education of a lot of the benefit bashers on MN? The ones that are now doing our best to keep going despite illness and disability?

How nice that my husband will have to be reassessed for his uncurable and progressive disease. The threat of losing his car should do wonders for his health.
I cant wait for my little boy to be poked and prodded by non medical assessors. He will love that, it wont freak him out at all, nuh huh.

mrsDeVere

I think the income tax limit should be raised to £15,000 a year. Sorry if this is unpopular. But why should somebody on a low wage pay tax so multi millionaires can get child benefit. I think it's right that child benefit should be stopped for well off people. But it should be combined salaries and a higher threshold. This would be fairer.

you are thinking that all people on benefits do not work, we do not sit on our arses, I work 38 hours a week, OK some do, but i am trying hard to send my daughter to uni, but the coalition have made this difficult.

rock on serialkipper, I have written countless letters to the government, have had reply, towing the the party line, housing, tutition fees, EMA. they do not care. they think the lower working don't matter.

I know someone who is living in a 3 bed property, and is on their own.

Can I just say I agree social housing isn't being used properly.

My mum is disabled. She is in a three bedroomed social house. She only needs two bedrooms as one if my brothers has moved out.

The LA have put her on the exchange list but have told her the have no budget left for the adaptations needed. She can only move into something which is disabled ready. Meanwhile so many people would live to have her three bed.

The changes in the housing benefit are creating a HUGE surge in homelessness. They have not thought this through.

Yes, it's brave for them to admit they want these cuts so they can try and 'fix' society but they are stupid if the keep ignoring just how much worse they are making it.