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Do you think the UK should halt immigration?

85 replies

LittenTree · 19/06/2012 08:55

What would you think of a policy that pretty much, forthwith, limited immigration in to the UK to an 'Australian model', say? (where, for instance, it's bloody hard to get a residents visa but once you have one, fairly easy to get citizenship. I know the model may have changed from the 'points system' they used to use where you got more points for being educated, English speaking, in a high demand trade or profession, being within a certain age band etc etc).

What would you think?

OK, I recognise that various treaties etc we've signed up to means we cannot prevent an EU influx but let's say that was also under discussion.

Before anyone skim-reads this and shouts' racist', no I'm not. I am not suggesting we bar anyone as a result of their race. Being able to speak the language of your adopted country isn't a function of race, for instance.

But I am wondering how different Britain might look and function if we really did slow the rate of immigration right down and then only to those people we need and who would be net contributors to our society (yes, unlike many of our own people, but that's a different story!).

Could we ultimately see gains in the environment as our population gradually fell to something more sustainable? Would we see more social cohesion as previous groups of immigrants had far more time to assimilate before the next group arrive to 'threaten' their feeling of stability (it is to be noted that many of the strongest supporters of limiting immigration are the most recently arrived immigrants themselves as of course they often find themselves on the lower rungs and naturally aren't pleased to find themselves being squeezed by the resources being stretched to accommodate the next group. We've all done geography where we see how, for most ethnic groups, they arrive in a new country, all live close together in a specific area, then, over a few years, begin to move on up and out to have their 'place' repopulated with a new, distinct immigrant group).

I was going to add another bunch of caveats about how what I'm saying doesn't mean this or that; then I thought, my musing can stand alone. Do you think the UK should halt the current immigration model it uses and rethink to one that is very selective and prescriptive? Pros and cons?

Note this is in 'politics' as immigration is a political issue.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/06/2012 09:58

"When it comes to unskilled workers, especially those who don't speak English, the door to Britain should be firmly shut in their face."

This is patronising crap. I get fed up with this distinction 'unskilled' If work needs doing, it needs doing. I don't care if someone picks cabbages or manages an operating theatre, they're earning an honest living. If local people think cabbage-picking is above them or aren't qualified enough to manage an operating theatre, then the newcomer is valuable.

mumnosbest · 19/06/2012 09:58

Luckily in my case its a choice. I wouldnt want to live there (though hols are great). Also all my family, friends and career are here.
What if they too tool this approach to immigration?

niceguy2 · 19/06/2012 09:50

You always have the choice to go live in his native country.

mumnosbest · 19/06/2012 09:48

What about luuuurve?
What if you fall for a gorgeous but unskilled foreigner? Is your love doomed?

TheSoggyBunny · 19/06/2012 09:46

Cognito said what I came on to say

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/06/2012 09:44

I don't agree. I think the reason the UK punches above its weight in a lot of fields is precisely because we have had a very long history of incorporating newcomers successfully and productively, each bringing a new dynamic to our culture. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect immigrants to support themselves but, IME, the kind of person that has the motivation to move to another country is not the sort that intends to do nothing when they get there. What's more, their work ethic is often passed on to the next generation. Yes, there are implications for resources and local communities and we should be able to respond quickly and fairly, but I think a mobile, diverse population is a modern fact of life.

If we did pull up the drawbridge I think we'd be in trouble. A falling birth-rate and an ageing population means we're already heading for problems. If the overall head-count came down as well as this imbalance I think it would throw up all kinds of unintentional consequences.

redrubyshoes · 19/06/2012 09:30

I and my DP work in engineering and in our offices we have Kiwis, Aussies, South Africans, Canadians, Americans, Indians, Pakistanis, French, Spanish and Italians. All of whom are in the 40% tax bracket.

They more than pay their way.

longfingernails · 19/06/2012 09:22

We should be extremely liberal with immigration when it comes to skilled workers and high earners.

When it comes to unskilled workers, especially those who don't speak English, the door to Britain should be firmly shut in their face.

When it comes to bogus asylum seekers, foreign criminals, and benefit migrants, we should deport them immediately.

MrsMicawber · 19/06/2012 09:12

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niceguy2 · 19/06/2012 09:09

The way you've framed your post sounds like you are trying to only illicit responses which say "yes it's a good idea to limit immigration".

But the real world is much more complex than that. We are in the EU and as such we don't get a choice to limit immigration from EU nationals. Given this is by far the largest group of "immigrants", limiting other groups has a very limited impact.

My family were immigrants, I was not born in the UK but I grew up here. My fiancee is an immigrant albeit from an EU country. So I see immigration as a plus. Let's face it, without immigration who is going to pick fruit in farmer fields, clean toilets, all the jobs which many of our current generation of natives feel is beneath them.

That said I do support the current points system where we target those who most benefit our country. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. The simple fact is that we need immigration. As our population grows older and we stop having loads of kids, immigration is the only way we can ensure we have enough workers to support those who can't.

As for making it very hard to get a residents visa, I don't see why it should be made artificially hard. If someone has proven themselves to be a law abiding person who works hard and isn't a drain on our society then I don't see any reason why we shouldn't welcome them.

Despite what the tabloid press report, immigrants come to this country to work, not to sponge. And are demonstrably less likely to claim benefits.

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